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WILD & WONDERFUL - VFL & WV altfan
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How is Deion what college football needs for its transition? Transition to what?I agree totally that Deion is not a very good X's and O's coach and id argue that's not as big a deal as some might think. Also, he is exactly what Colorado and college football needs for this transition. He is brash and his moves are setting a roadmap for how things are done (or not done). Most of these guys that have been in coaching for years are not gonna have the balls to hit the portal quite the way he has. he is the crash test dummy and a lot of do's and don'ts will be learned from his time in CO. I don't think he will last there long because no one lasts there long. On average in the modern era average coach is there 3-4 years. They haven't had a long term coach since McCartney left in 95. They do not have a rich history of winning in the TV era, even less in the color TV era. Because they are in Boulder Colorado. NIL changes that because its easier to convince a kid to go play in the snowy mountains of Boulder if he's getting paid to do it. Just a hint the kids that you need to build a winning program are rarely very accustomed to snow and mountains.
Prime will most likely not be anywhere near a hall of fame coach EVER. I do however think his efforts will contribute to how football programs are ran going forward. He will show a lot of things you can do that people think couldn't and he will also prove something you definitely should not do.
Eh, it’s just fans having fun. This was basketball but when I was a freshman at UT we rushed the court when we beat Miami OH on a buzzer beater. That’s part of the fun and excitement of sports and Colorado has been bad a long time so there’s nothing wrong with it at all.Whenever CU wins a close home game, they rush the field and act like they just beat a #1 team. They need to live in reality that Deion is and will not be a good coach. No hate towards him, He's just not the guy. And the media needs to cut back on the Buffs getting all the attention.
No they did this last year just in my opinion, they should calm down by now and know they will never be more than a 6-6 team. But they always get a decent amount of attention just because Deion is there.Eh, it’s just fans having fun. This was basketball but when I was a freshman at UT we rushed the court when we beat Miami OH on a buzzer beater. That’s part of the fun and excitement of sports and Colorado has been bad a long time so there’s nothing wrong with it at all.
So fans can only have fun once every decade? Once a year is too much? Do you know the last time there was excitement around football in Colorado? About 20 years ago. For the last 19 years the benchmark for a good season has been 5 wins in Boulder. Folks are acting like this is a program and fanbase that's been going bowling yearly and Prime came in and dropped the ball. Since 1997 Colorado has ended the season ranked 3 times. They are the equivalent of Vandy except Vandy had been to twice as many bowl games as them since Barnett left and that's even counting the covid bowl colorado played in.No they did this last year just in my opinion, they should calm down by now and know they will never be more than a 6-6 team. But they always get a decent amount of attention just because Deion is there.
you have a point and I cant argue, I know what it feels like to be hungry fanbase. All I'm saying is that I dont think Deion will get them to winning seasons year in and year out. The guy brings in the 90 players from the portal and when they are 2 and 3 stars, you cant rebuild like that. And he's ranked 79th in recruiting, you just cant rebuild like that. But I do understand your point about the fans.So fans can only have fun once every decade? Once a year is too much? Do you know the last time there was excitement around football in Colorado? About 20 years ago. For the last 19 years the benchmark for a good season has been 5 wins in Boulder. Folks are acting like this is a program and fanbase that's been going bowling yearly and Prime came in and dropped the ball. Since 1997 Colorado has ended the season ranked 3 times. They are the equivalent of Vandy except Vandy had been to twice as many bowl games as them since Barnett left and that's even counting the covid bowl colorado played in.
People are seriously discounting how much of a dumpster fire Colorado was until last year. Now its just that fire in a barrel with some hobo's around it.. but guess what that fire serves a purpose. Its warming up some hobo's and maybe just maybe their newly warm hands will allow them to get jobs and not be hobos anymore? I am just saying instead of always trying to find reasons to hate can't we give people credit for what they are accomplishing in context? Nah that would require thinking and logic.
I disagree and that’s cool that we see it differently. I say enjoy the wins when they happen however you like (the CU fans I mean). Deion is certainly an attention seeker and getter. He does have a couple of really talented players but a lower tier bowl game is likely their ceiling if I had to guess.No they did this last year just in my opinion, they should calm down by now and know they will never be more than a 6-6 team. But they always get a decent amount of attention just because Deion is there.
100% agree and that's what I'm trying to say, as long he's there they will get attention, but wont be better than an a mid-tier team.I disagree and that’s cool that we see it differently. I say enjoy the wins when they happen however you like (the CU fans I mean). Deion is certainly an attention seeker and getter. He does have a couple of really talented players but a lower tier bowl game is likely their ceiling if I had to guess.
We’re just guessing of course but I agree with that. His son is a talented player though and Hunter is an absolute freak. They might not be world beaters but they are entertaining.100% agree and that's what I'm trying to say, as long he's there they will get attention, but wont be better than an a mid-tier team.
I dont think anyone expects that... what they expect him to do is inject some life in the program and he has done it. I am not sure if Prime is cut out to be a P4 head coach. People forget that college football is a business FIRST always has been. Now its just more clear. On the business side Colorado is winning big with Prime. Their name is ringing and apparel is selling. I don't think any coach could have come in and made the turn around he has made there in this period of time.you have a point and I cant argue, I know what it feels like to be hungry fanbase. All I'm saying is that I dont think Deion will get them to winning seasons year in and year out. The guy brings in the 90 players from the portal and when they are 2 and 3 stars, you cant rebuild like that. And he's ranked 79th in recruiting, you just cant rebuild like that. But I do understand your point about the fans.
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Just giving the fanbase something to get excitted about, I'm all for that.I dont think anyone expects that... what they expect him to do is inject some life in the program and he has done it. I am not sure if Prime is cut out to be a P4 head coach. People forget that college football is a business FIRST always has been. Now its just more clear. On the business side Colorado is winning big with Prime. Their name is ringing and apparel is selling. I don't think any coach could have come in and made the turn around he has made there in this period of time.
Colorados recruiting class rankings per On3 only goes back to 2002 but it makes the point.
2002 69 Barnett
2003 88 Barnett
2004 52 Barnett
2005 35 Barnett
2006 51
2007 35
2008 24
2009 52
2010 57
2011 65
2012 40
2013 68 MacIntyre
2014 73 MacIntyre
2015 66 MacIntyre
2016 67 MacIntyre
2017 28 MacIntyre
2018 46 MacIntyre
2019 46
2020 36
2021 67
2022 54
2023 35 Prime
2024 65 Prime
And people wonder why he hit the portal so hard? Colorado is hard to recruit to. Barnett is probably easily the second or third best coach Colorado has ever had. MacIntyre you might remember as DC at Ole Miss and Memphis was a decentish coach also. So compared to most P5/P4 coaches Prime is not very good. Compared to coaches at Colorado the past 25 years he is a hall of fame already with his 7 wins. Context is important.
I remember the “old” Friday after Thanksgiving games between Nebraska and Colorado. That was always a favorite of mine.I dont think anyone expects that... what they expect him to do is inject some life in the program and he has done it. I am not sure if Prime is cut out to be a P4 head coach. People forget that college football is a business FIRST always has been. Now its just more clear. On the business side Colorado is winning big with Prime. Their name is ringing and apparel is selling. I don't think any coach could have come in and made the turn around he has made there in this period of time.
Colorados recruiting class rankings per On3 only goes back to 2002 but it makes the point.
2002 69 Barnett
2003 88 Barnett
2004 52 Barnett
2005 35 Barnett
2006 51
2007 35
2008 24
2009 52
2010 57
2011 65
2012 40
2013 68 MacIntyre
2014 73 MacIntyre
2015 66 MacIntyre
2016 67 MacIntyre
2017 28 MacIntyre
2018 46 MacIntyre
2019 46
2020 36
2021 67
2022 54
2023 35 Prime
2024 65 Prime
And people wonder why he hit the portal so hard? Colorado is hard to recruit to. Barnett is probably easily the second or third best coach Colorado has ever had. MacIntyre you might remember as DC at Ole Miss and Memphis was a decentish coach also. So compared to most P5/P4 coaches Prime is not very good. Compared to coaches at Colorado the past 25 years he is a hall of fame already with his 7 wins. Context is important.
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We were a dumpster fire also couple that with sanctions. We got no remorse fk em. 0 fks given about Colorado and the fighting Deion's.So fans can only have fun once every decade? Once a year is too much? Do you know the last time there was excitement around football in Colorado? About 20 years ago. For the last 19 years the benchmark for a good season has been 5 wins in Boulder. Folks are acting like this is a program and fanbase that's been going bowling yearly and Prime came in and dropped the ball. Since 1997 Colorado has ended the season ranked 3 times. They are the equivalent of Vandy except Vandy had been to twice as many bowl games as them since Barnett left and that's even counting the covid bowl colorado played in.
People are seriously discounting how much of a dumpster fire Colorado was until last year. Now its just that fire in a barrel with some hobo's around it.. but guess what that fire serves a purpose. Its warming up some hobo's and maybe just maybe their newly warm hands will allow them to get jobs and not be hobos anymore? I am just saying instead of always trying to find reasons to hate can't we give people credit for what they are accomplishing in context? Nah that would require thinking and logic.
The level of the fire isn't even comparable. Tennessee has won less than 5 games once since 1978 we have never won less than 4 since 1925. Colorado has had 12 seasons of 4 or less losses since 2000 2 of those were 1 win 2 were 2 2 were 3 that's 6. The last time Tennessee won only 3 games was 1924 when college seasons were 8 games. At our very worst this last little over a decade.... We have missed 9 bowl games since 1981...Colorado has missed 15 since 2006. to get to 15 for UT you'd have to go back to 1964.We were a dumpster fire also couple that with sanctions. We got no remorse fk em. 0 fks given about Colorado and the fighting Deion's.
No one is gonna give Shedur credit for being able to perform at a dang near heisman level playing 6 vs 16? I mean at thus point its clear Colorados Oline is not on their side. Has a QB ever in history gotten sacked 8 times in a game and brought those results? Forget winning the fact that kid is ambulatory and sane is amazing. Dude has been hit and sacked more the last 2 years than most conferences.
If colorados oline was at least bad they would be a dangerous team. Instead they are so beyond bad they are like extra dlinemen. This shows that the other members of that offense are that good they can overcome that crap.
As i have said all year Colorado is a bowl team and they are improving. People are so focused on hating on prime they are ignoring that the team is improving. That being said no idea what comes next year..without Shedur no idea how this works and unless something drastically changes with the oline no QB in their right mind goes there.
Please stop listening to fake news... that story about the song is not true.It might have a lot to do with knowing they get nothing while being told everyone has to earn their way. Mean while his own son gets to isolate himself from the team by playing his own song rather the the fight song. No one can wear hoodies to team meeting or be on a phone but his son is in a hoodie and sweats and is on his phone laughing.
Would you block for someone that only cares about himself and when things don’t work out he throws you under the bus?
I could have sworn football is a team sport…
I don't think Aranda would step down in the SEC, though I might be wrong. If Baylor buys him out I look for him to take a position coach NFL spot..... linebackers or something. I'm not 100% on Aranda, which is why it wouldn't break my heart if UF hired him at HC.What about Aranda for Tennessee DC if Banks gets a HG gig?