Aging like lizard poop on a hot tin roof. It's lovely how the arguments get updated as they are steamrolled. It was the week after they beat Baylor and were 3-1 people were in here saying they won't win another game. I had them losing 2 more games ending 9-3. FYI the 2 games I had them losing were Kstate and a tossup between UCF/Cincy.
Since that time the goal posts have changed to they wont make a bowl to their schedule is too easy and now anyone in the world gets a bowl.
The initial argument I have made is simple. The turnaround at that school is impressive. It is unarguably to take a team that has been in the basement for the last 2 decades. A team that has won 10 or more games 8 times ever. That hasn't won more than 6 games but once since 2007.
Since 2007 Vandy has been to 6 bowls and won 3.
Kentucky 11 and won 5
Miss State 13 and won 8
So yeah anyone can get to a bowl EXCEPT for the Colorado the past 2 decades. Including every other team in the BIG12. For the last 18 years Colorado has been the basement for the big 12 period....6 times they have won less then 4 games. 6 times. They have had multiple 1 and 2 win seasons. In full seasons... the covid year they actually had a winning record lol.
They are showing tangible results now that's impressive, we saw that with UCF with GOAT coach frost (lol, still how many players did he get rid of, pay to play, portal in, recruit to do that) 0 12 to 13 0 too. Or 5 7 tcu to the natty. Or Michigan state 2 5 to 11 2 or 2 7 Baylor or stanford to 12 1 ,15 0 lsu 8 5 Notre Dame to the ncg or 3 9 auburn to natty or 3 7 to 9 Arkansas or 4 to 10 wake forest or 5 win ku to 12 1 all with much less hype, no NIL, nothing close to this level of free media, but it definitely can now be defined as a good turnaround for a team capitalizing on a broken conference, hoping WVU can do the same after they fire Neal and get a heupel of their own and conquer mighty BYU and Iowa state to get to #1
It's cool to see a 90s top powerhouse team win some games again I was wrong that they are a 4 win team i can see them doing well against the modern b12 and make a solid bowl game now there isn't much competition in that vacuum and they will have it easier than most of the above teams. Hopefully he can win some playoffs and nattys and stick out in history, he's silenced the 4 win narrative. It's nothing like when the b8 had 2 or 3 of the best 10 teams every other year he can do this if previous CU coaches did it
I remember CU going 7-18 with Bill Mallory then 93 and 55 over 12 years with McCartney often top 5 and 10 that was an elite CU dynasty against way harder teams like the greatest of all time Nebraska teams, coach snyder, some real winners, and now all the worst teams of those years like 1 and 11 iowa states are elite again, maybe Deon can bring them back to a top program they once were. If k state, illinois, Kansas, purdue, vandy, Texas tech, minnesota, oregon st, arizona, SCAR, kinda tennessee, ucla, missouri, Boston college, north western, cincinatti can revive from the graves so can cu. Especially since Deon can get players paid unlike all the other ones that had to rely on traditional recovery. It was all about Nebraska, KSU, Colorado, sometimes KU or OU in that time and hopefully he can bring that back for them, half the competition has left and he can use NIL and $ to jump a lot of hoops that previous programs that did without it.
Kansas and KSU were all top 10 teams each year then and ksu has done their own Deon and Kansas is getting there after a CUlike fall. Iowa state too. That will be a good game the KU CU game is 2 similar programs and teams. I think to you this CU thing is new for you or maybe you don't keep up with a lot of historically good teams that fell off, but it's been a decent turnaround. Hoping for the b12 to be second to the sec myself the more I think of it. Weird to see just how many historically bad programs are now constantly in the top 15 today.
I guess where I never understood you is you bandwagon a team which i hate to begin with all because you believe this is some truly special American history thing when it is less impressive than this very own forums coach heupel beating world beaters over and over. CU was a team i grew up watching because they were so dominant, they should be able to capitalize. It was cool watching coaches at SCAR bring teams that never were anything into major programs, I love cfb. SCARs best season in 100 years being 8 3 up to the 90s and usually 1 or 2 win seasons, lot of good coaching, UT had a dynasty unscored on
Seeing a 90s powerhouse top program hit rock bottom and now win and maybe get in the top 25 is fun, I was wrong that Deon is garbage he is one of those turnaround coaches, he is lucky he could liquidate a team fill a portal and pay lots of people and bring an old team in without that breaking rules. Gotta capitalize when a conference has no talent and you can have money and X&Os fill in some voids, play the media for nationwide attention, and jump into the easiest conference to win in. He's definitely a genius at being just like Trump. Like I'm supposed to see Deon as this football legend coach when average coaches like Scott frost did far more with far far less advantages for a coach to use to skip the rebuild process
Hes also lucky that every kid age 10 to 17 hears about his rebuild 9 times a day vs all the others who turn around with half empty stadiums and no games on TV. Unlike having NCAA25 video games rate you at 15 and market your team as God's on every network and not even be in the top 25 year 2. Some coaches by year 2 took 2 win historically bad rostered teams to 7 8 9 10 without changing the roster, paying anyone, or being talked about outside their town or shown on tv My whole point is to show these guys aren't American history in the making