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#701
hog88 said:
It could do it but you being in the industry know what will happen with the first crash and there will be a crash with the way people drive.
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Being oversized I’m not too worried about an AI unless they figure out a way to make 22’ wide , 17’5 tall and 112’ long , float above everybody . Lol
 
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0nelilreb said:
Being oversized I’m not too worried about an AI unless they figure out a way to make 22’ wide , 17’5 tall and 112’ long , float above everybody . Lol
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I don't think we'll see it in the next 25+ years without a major revamp of the highway system. What I can see is trucks platooned/slaved together (4-5 of them) with 1 operator in the lead truck controlling the units with the aid of computers.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think we'll see it in the next 25+ years without a major revamp of the highway system. What I can see is trucks platooned/slaved together (4-5 of them) with 1 operator in the lead truck controlling the units with the aid of computers.
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That I can see very easily after the huge corporations and the Feds/ Dot work out their OTR rule exceptions
 
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In the words of the American Soviet Democrat, Bernie Sanders, "Bread lines are a good thing".
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
That’s the lie that the Teamsters will push.
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I definitely agree that the Teamsters would fight this tooth and nail. Don't bet against the Longshoremen refusing to load trucks not driven by their "brothers". Whether the technology is there or not, acceptance is going to be the problem, and unions have been very effective at blocking stuff for decades. With trains doing the "autonomous driving" they have their railroad buddies covered. This goes back again to the fact that the unions greased a lot of congressional palms and were allowed to grow into a monster. Port operators cannot work together with trucking company owners against unions, but unions can work together all day long against one or more companies. Antitrust regulation only works one way, labor has always been the beneficiary, and you can bet labor is doing its part to create the overloaded port boondoggle.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Will your AV look around and notice the asshat driving crazy and adjust accordingly ? Can your AV anticipate what other drivers are about to do based on years of experience and be prepared for them to pass you doing 80 then pull in front of you or will it just react when they do it ?
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Even with a car if you leave enough distance to compensate for an SUV or truck that you can't see around, somebody will fill that gap for you. There's very little sense of reason on the road.
 
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hog88 said:
It probably will, but what it won't do is have the experience to know/feel something isn't right and adjust accordingly.
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That's where the scary stuff hits the road - artificial intelligence, or machines decide to shut humans down. Maybe it's just a fantasy of science fiction, and maybe it's not. And maybe one fine day mankind really does revert to slavery with a different master.
 
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AM64 said:
I definitely agree that the Teamsters would fight this tooth and nail. Don't bet against the Longshoremen refusing to load trucks not driven by their "brothers". Whether the technology is there or not, acceptance is going to be the problem, and unions have been very effective at blocking stuff for decades. With trains doing the "autonomous driving" they have their railroad buddies covered. This goes back again to the fact that the unions greased a lot of congressional palms and were allowed to grow into a monster. Port operators cannot work together with trucking company owners against unions, but unions can work together all day long against one or more companies. Antitrust regulation only works one way, labor has always been the beneficiary, and you can bet labor is doing its part to create the overloaded port boondoggle.
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Sooner or later it will happen. Technology always wins.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It’s not hate. It’s understanding reality. I didn’t hate key punch operators or switchboard workers when technology made them obsolete.
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There's a different issue, too. What do you do with the unemployed truck drivers? Autonomous trucks aren't consumers, and neither are truckers without income. This is one of the big problems of automation and the thought that people shouldn't be doing the menial, mundane, or repetitive tasks. How do you pay people to do nothing because their jobs were replaced by machines?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Sooner or later it will happen. Technology always wins.
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Is it really a win, or is it just change for change sake? Is replacing human labor with automation truly a win - idle hands and all? Remember, this is coming from an engineer - the kind of people who build and advance technology. There's a different economic question that we keep ignoring - I suppose you could call it planned obsolescence of the human kind, and it doesn't make much sense.
 
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AM64 said:
Is it really a win, or is it just change for change sake? Is replacing human labor with automation truly a win - idle hands and all? Remember, this is coming from an engineer - the kind of people who build and advance technology. There's a different economic question that we keep ignoring - I suppose you could call it planned obsolescence of the human kind, and it doesn't make much sense.
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What do we do with all the humans without the skills to maintain the machines doing the jobs they used to do? Yes, yes I know "what did the people that made the buggies do after we invented cars" but it's a serious question. If you run the manufacturing out of the country where do the unskilled go to work?
 
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AM64 said:
There's a different issue, too. What do you do with the unemployed truck drivers? Autonomous trucks aren't consumers, and neither are truckers without income. This is one of the big problems of automation and the thought that people shouldn't be doing the menial, mundane, or repetitive tasks. How do you pay people to do nothing because their jobs were replaced by machines?
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Same thing that has happened to buggy whip production line workers and long distance switchboard operators.

There won’t be a switch flipped. It will be a gradual transition. Right now there is an under supply of drivers. Local drivers will still be needed. Those that can’t drive can be coders.
 
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