Commodity shortages

[RollinVol]

I’ll be good on meat. Just dropped of a nice ole cow to be butchered. Looking for a hog to be butchered as well. Then deer season as well and I’ll be set

 

[KB5252]

I'm having a hard time believing the backlog at the ports is causing backlogs of groceries and food supplies. If we're reliant on imports for food production, we're screwed 6 ways from Sunday.

You'd be surprised how much of our fresh fruit and vegetables are imported this time of year through spring. Virtually all of it is.

This country is in a very precarious spot right now. When we go the grocery I now buy about $20 in canned and non perishable goods to put away just in case.

 

[0nelilreb]

It's not a painless process, but once upon a time 90% of Americans were farmers, and somehow we all found something else to do.

I was back reading and found this post both ironic and interesting . I have a question , during our March to “ progress “ running all those farmers out and off into other “ opportunities “ , what was it specifically that caused this ? The combustible engine took the place of horses and manpower , for the reason of efficiency, labor savings , and speed . The small farms lost everything to the big farms as they gobbled up land , the biggest farms lost everything to big cooperations with government subsidized crops and market manipulation, as they had no equal in the amount of money they could throw at what they wanted . Here we sit again trying to get rid of the very thing that we created only to replace it with something even more progressive , except this time , with little to no direct human interaction. If only we had some blueprint to go by .

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I was back reading and found this post both ironic and interesting . I have a question , during our March to “ progress “ running all those farmers out and off into other “ opportunities “ , what was it specifically that caused this ? The combustible engine took the place of horses and manpower , for the reason of efficiency, labor savings , and speed . The small farms lost everything to the big farms as they gobbled up land , the biggest farms lost everything to big cooperations with government subsidized crops and market manipulation, as they had no equal in the amount of money they could throw at what they wanted . Here we sit again trying to get rid of the very thing that we created only to replace it with something even more progressive , except this time , with little to no direct human interaction. If only we had some blueprint to go by .

200 years ago the Industrial Revolutions lead to other professions being created for the displaced farm workers. This time the digital transformation won’t be as impactful at raising everybody’s standard of living and creating vast opportunities to earn wages.

 

[0nelilreb]

200 years ago the Industrial Revolutions lead to other professions being created for the displaced farm workers. This time the digital transformation won’t be as impactful at raising everybody’s standard of living and creating vast opportunities for earn wages.

Wait are you saying that automation won’t be as impactful to the labor force as the tractor/ engine was to people ? Automation does not create an environment for unskilled labor . I know I know all you highly educated people love to think that the world moves on the backs of college grads .. but it does not . I can also tell you that automated industries that replace people with robots to do the same jobs do not lower their product costs .. it simply means more profit for shareholders .

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Wait are you saying that automation won’t be as impactful to the labor force as the tractor/ engine was to people ? Automation does not create an environment for unskilled labor . I know I know all you highly educated people love to think that the world moves on the backs of college grads .. but it does not . I can also tell you that automated industries that replace people with robots to do the same jobs do not lower their product costs .. it simply means more profit for shareholders .

Automation has been around for a long, long time. When agriculture became highly mechanized it was the largest user of labor and the population was considerably smaller. As far as truck drivers, today they make up less than 1% of the population, all human driver jobs won’t be eliminated, and a transformation would evolve over decades. Those displaced workers can be absorbed elsewhere in the economy.

Many, if not most, skilled trade/blue collar workers own stock investments and they will benefit from owning those companies earning more profits as well.

 

[0nelilreb]

Automation has been around for a long, long time. When agriculture became highly mechanized it was the largest user of labor and the population was considerably smaller. As far as truck drivers, today they make up less than 1% of the population, all human driver jobs won’t be eliminated, and a transformation would evolve over decades. Those displaced workers can be absorbed elsewhere in the economy.

Many, if not most, skilled trade/blue collar workers own stock investments and they will benefit from owning those companies earning more profits as well.

Ok let me see if I have this straight , you
and 3 of your buddies that have been working for the company for 8 years loses your jobs because they installed two robotic arms in your place but you shouldn’t worry , you will benefit from the 487 shares youve amassed in the company through your 401k ? You smell of middle management.

 

[Volaholic320]

Stop Blaming Incompetence: Dear Leader Biden is CHOOSING Not to Fix Supply Chain Crisis

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Ok let me see if I have this straight , you
and 3 of your buddies that have been working for the company for 8 years loses your jobs because they installed two robotic arms in your place but you shouldn’t worry , you will benefit from the 487 shares youve amassed in the company through your 401k ? You smell of middle management.

He's not middle management because he would be aware that if the factory floor becomes more automated, that is fewer people on the floor that will need managing, which would jeopardize his job.

 

[NEO]

Not sure if everyone knows but driverless trucks are already running routes. Trusimple started their pilot program earlier this year and their trucks are already doing the hauls with AI. They currently have a human rider in case something goes wrong but the coding is already in the federal system for autonomous drivers.

This isn’t decades away. It’s happening now.

 

[0nelilreb]

He's not middle management because he would be aware that if the factory floor becomes more automated, that is fewer people on the floor that will need managing, which would jeopardize his job.

I should have clarified my middle management comment based on my experience with a huge multinational cooperation. To me supervisors are nothing more than extra floor hands on salary, middle management are / were our bosses that echoed upper managements ideas without hesitation. ( this of course is all anecdotal from a combined total of 23 years in production facilities )

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Not sure if everyone knows but driverless trucks are already running routes. Trusimple started their pilot program earlier this year and their trucks are already doing the hauls with AI. They currently have a human rider in case something goes wrong but the coding is already in the federal system for autonomous drivers.

This isn’t decades away. It’s happening now.

Acceptance and widespread implementation is still decades away. As I’ve pointed out earlier, the technology will be ready well before the economics and politics allow it.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Ok let me see if I have this straight , you
and 3 of your buddies that have been working for the company for 8 years loses your jobs because they installed two robotic arms in your place but you shouldn’t worry , you will benefit from the 487 shares youve amassed in the company through your 401k ? You smell of middle management.

No. You’ve missed your target, Chief. I was the guy that was pulling back-to-back-to-back 20 hour days to get the financial systems closed every month and not getting one extra dime for the effort since I was classified as “exempt”. Then I’d lose my job after the company was sold or down sized while not being in a union or a protected class of race or gender or bizarre sexual preference categories.

 

[landscapingvol]

I’ll be good on meat. Just dropped of a nice ole cow to be butchered. Looking for a hog to be butchered as well. Then deer season as well and I’ll be set

I don't do beef but you are correct on deer meat. The only problem is most processors are charging $125 these days so it isn't as cheap as it once was but it's a lot better for you

 

[NEO]

Acceptance and widespread implementation is still decades away. As I’ve pointed out earlier, the technology will be ready well before the economics and politics allow it.

I think within a decade you will see atleast 20 percent minimum of long haul trucking beings autonomous. I think it may even be as high as 30.

Time will tell though.

This will hurt this country a lot though.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I think within a decade you will see atleast 20 percent minimum of long haul trucking beings autonomous. I think it may even be as high as 30.

Time will tell though.

This will hurt this country a lot though.

Hard to say. Comoact Discs were ready to roll out around 1978 and all of the legal issues delayed it for about 10-15 years.

The country needs to be the leader rather than letting China have that role. A million or two lost trucking jobs shouldn’t be a problem if our politicians can manage the economy. The demand for those jobs is currently outpacing the labor supply. But without the $600/week “stimulus” to not work maybe those jobs become more desirable to millennials.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Hard to say. Comoact Discs were ready to roll out around 1978 and all of the legal issues delayed it for about 10-15 years.

The country needs to be the leader rather than letting China have that role. A million or two lost trucking jobs shouldn’t be a problem if our politicians can manage the economy. The demand for those jobs is currently outpacing the labor supply. But without the $600/week “stimulus” to not work maybe those jobs become more desirable to millennials.

Eh the players on compact disks weren’t financially available for prime time. Basic CD audio is 16-bit serial data. Every decent CD player uses a 21+ multi-bit sigma-delta converter oversampled on the basic 16-bit audio stream which is a monolithic single chip now costing pennies but would have been an entire box costing hundreds of dollars just to build, not retail, in 1978. The format may have been defined but the commercially viable players lagged.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Eh the players on compact disks weren’t financially available for prime time. Basic CD audio is 16-bit serial data. Every decent CD player uses a 21+ multi-bit sigma-delta converter oversampled on the basic 16-bit audio stream which is a monolithic single chip now costing pennies but would have been an entire box costing hundreds of dollars just to build, not retail, in 1978. The format may have been defined but the commercially viable players lagged.

Philips and Sony were just two that had very deep pockets. Cassettes, 8-tracks, reel-to-reel, and LPs weren’t better technology.

 

[utvolpj]

And here's the obvious solution. How did no one think of it?

Stop Shopping

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Sony’s Beta was superior to JVC’s VHS. The technology isn’t why VHS dominated VCRs. CDs were slow to penetrate and it had more to do with IP rights rather than technological R&D. Same thing is happening with AV trucking. Special interests are slowing the progress while China zooms along.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

And here's the obvious solution. How did no one think of it?

Stop Shopping

There’s a shopping addiction of the citizen sheep. And you can no longer overcome the selfish attitudes for the better good of society. Many people are still sitting on years supplies of toilet paper.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Philips and Sony were just two that had very deep pockets. Cassettes, 8-tracks, reel-to-reel, and LPs weren’t better technology.

Oh the theory has been around on sigma delta modulation since the 60’s. The cost for a sigma delta converter for the masses wasn’t ready for prime time until much later. Audiophiles with more money than common sense sure. Most people that buy home electronics no. My first high end CD player was a Denon with their 21-bit ASLC converter (advanced super linear converter) was in 1991. It was the shiz in 1991 but yes players had been around for over a decade before that just not at the 21-bit performance level. I’ve still got it today. My next one is a Sony 24-bit multibit modulator around 2015 which is pedestrian now and cost a fraction of the Denon. Most people can’t tell the difference in listening. Dogs might

 

[NorthDallas40]

Sony’s Beta was superior to JVC’s VHS. The technology isn’t why VHS dominated VCRs. CDs were slow to penetrate and it had more to do with IP rights rather than technological R&D. Same thing is happening with AV trucking. Special interests are slowing the progress while China zooms along.

Sony’s beta was a far superior technology yes but from what I remember Sony took the proprietary hardware approach that turned off many OEMs. VHS took the Intel approach and it took off just like the PC. The Apple Mac was a superior hardware architecture to the PC also but they took the proprietary approach that limited OEMs.

 

[VolStrom]

I think within a decade you will see atleast 20 percent minimum of long haul trucking beings autonomous. I think it may even be as high as 30.

Time will tell though.

This will hurt this country a lot though.

Let's face it, a good part of long haul trucking is staring at the road and making minor steering adjustments and slamming on the brakes when a clueless idiot cuts them off. AI can do this type of stuff all day long and turn over the final miles to a driver.

 

[ButchPlz]

Let's face it, a good part of long haul trucking is staring at the road and making minor steering adjustments and slamming on the brakes when a clueless idiot cuts them off. AI can do this type of stuff all day long and turn over the final miles to a driver.

When you put it that way it makes me wonder why we butchered our rail infrastructure.