Comparing Pearl to some of nation's elite coaches

#51
#51
VolDad said:
Their 1st 4 years where? Are you comparing their 1st 4 years in coaching with Pearls 1st 4 years at UT? You know that Pearl has been coaching since 1992 don't you?
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Nope. People seem to think that Pearl has only been a coach for five years :crazy:
 
#52
#52
Smokeyman said:
I don't see where the OP stated that Pearl was the best coach in college... All I saw was that he merely stated that several of the best coaches in the country had a difficult time advancing past the sweet 16 in their first 4 years of coaching. Try reading before blasting off into ridiculousness, yeah thats a word. :eek:k:
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I don’t understand comparing their 1st 4 years of coaching with Pearl’s 14-17 years of coaching. How does that make any sense?
 
#53
#53
Sudeepvol said:
....When you combine Boeheim, Calhoun, Roy Williams, Coach K, and Donovan's number of appearances past the sweet 16 in their first four years, you get a grand total of 1.......
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When you combine their appearances past the sweet 16 in their first 17 years and compare it to Pearl's first 17 years you get a grand total of 17.

It actually looks like this:

Theirs
Elite 8 – 17
Final 4 – 15
Runner-up -11
National Championship – 5

Pearl
Elite 8 – 0
Final 4 – 0
Runner-up - 0
National Championship – 0
 
#54
#54
I'm not in a position to assert that Bruce Pearl is the best coach in the USA, but I will say this: I didn't have any reason to be exctied about UT men's basketball until he came along. In fact, we were pretty much embarassing in most years. I'm thankful for how much he has elevated the program, and now I have something to get fired up about between JAN and MAR regarding UT sports. The Lady Vols have been good for a long time, and it is now great to have the guys holding up their end of the bargain.
 
#55
#55
I honestly wouldn't put Donovan in with that group... Anthony Grant loaded that team up with talent and they were successful for a couple years. They haven't done much since.
 
#56
#56
VolDad said:
When you combine their appearances past the sweet 16 in their first 17 years and compare it to Pearl's first 17 years you get a grand total of 17.

It actually looks like this:

Theirs
Elite 8 – 17
Final 4 – 15
Runner-up -11
National Championship – 5

Pearl
Elite 8 – 0
Final 4 – 0
Runner-up - 0
National Championship – 0
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Are you really trying to make that case? Seriously?

Tennessee is the first school where Pearl had anyone close to the resources availble to make that kind of run. If you're going to count his years in D-II and UW-Milwaukee, then I don't know what to say.
 
#58
#58
tvolsfan said:
Those seem like good points. However, I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of guys who have also had resume's similar to Pearl's during their first few years. (Don't ask me to name any, I'm never been a big basketball guy.) I think Pearl has done well for the program, and we're much improved, but I just think we have to wait until Pearl does much more before he's considered elite.

I'd guess that many of the people on this board that could be considered "anti-pearl" (me included) don't necessarily think he's terrible, they just don't think he's proven to be the deity some people make him out to be.
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I'm not, by any stretch, saying Pearl is an elite coach. I'm merely pointing out the fact that even some of the elite coaches had tournament woes early in their career.
 
#59
#59
Count_Dooley said:
I honestly wouldn't put Donovan in with that group... Anthony Grant loaded that team up with talent and they were successful for a couple years. They haven't done much since.
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I was hesitant to put Donovan there, but two titles and 3 national title appearances forced me to.
 
#60
#60
Sudeepvol said:
Are you really trying to make that case? Seriously?

Tennessee is the first school where Pearl had anyone close to the resources availble to make that kind of run. If you're going to count his years in D-II and UW-Milwaukee, then I don't know what to say.
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Ever wonder why he spent so many years at those type programs while the others did not?

So what are you comparing?
 
#61
#61
VolDad said:
Ever wonder why he spent so many years at those type programs while the others did not?

So what are you comparing?
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I'm comparing the coaches' (which I listed in my OP) first four years at high-major schools.
 
#62
#62
VolDad said:
Ever wonder why he spent so many years at those type programs while the others did not?

So what are you comparing?
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I don't get your point. Why not look at objective stats like the one I pointed out rather than justify saying Pearl isn't a good coach just because he started at Tennessee "late in his career".
 
#63
#63
Sudeepvol said:
By that logic, every coach who is not currently defending a title is a failure. :unsure:
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I'm not playing this game. He's had a full cycle of recruits and the results are no better than his first year with a supposedly inferior coach's players. That's all I need to know.
 
#64
#64
VolDad said:
Ever wonder why he spent so many years at those type programs while the others did not?

So what are you comparing?
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Methinks you know what he means but you're just arguing because you get a kick out of it. No?
 
#67
#67
UTLCA said:
I'm not playing this game. He's had a full cycle of recruits and the results are no better than his first year with a supposedly inferior coach's players. That's all I need to know.
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So you're going to judge a coach by his first couple of of recruiting classes? As my OP stated, there are elite coaches out there who have had early trouble in the tournament? What don't you understand?
 
#70
#70
Sudeepvol said:
So you're going to judge a coach by his first couple of of recruiting classes? As my OP stated, there are elite coaches out there who have had early trouble in the tournament? What don't you understand?
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Yes, I am going to judge a coach by his first 4 recruiting classes. I'm not giving Pearl 10 years to get past the Sweet 16 because there are coaches out there worth <$2 million who can do it in 4. And I understand a helluva lot more than you, that's for sure.
 
#73
#73
UTLCA said:
Yes, I am going to judge a coach by his first 4 recruiting classes. I'm not giving Pearl 10 years to get past the Sweet 16 because there are coaches out there worth <$2 million who can do it in 4. And I understand a helluva lot more than you, that's for sure.
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You know, I really don't think you do. But I'm glad YOU'RE not going to give him 10 years as we all know that your input will be used in his evaluation.

I really get a kick out of the posts that give the impression that Pearl has run your beloved program into the ground.
 
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#74
#74
Sudeepvol said:
Who had better conditions when taking over: K or Pearl?
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Calhoun at Connecticut, Donovan at Florida, and Williams at Kansas all made it past the Sweet 16 in their 1st 4 years. When and what schools did you include for each coach?
 
#75
#75
UTLCA said:
Yes, I am going to judge a coach by his first 4 recruiting classes. I'm not giving Pearl 10 years to get past the Sweet 16 because there are coaches out there worth <$2 million who can do it in 4. And I understand a helluva lot more than you, that's for sure.
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For a guy who knocks on Prince as much as you do, you definitely don't understand as much as me.

And first you mention "full cycle of recruits" - of which he has had 1, and now you mention 4 recruiting classes. It's not fair to judge the '08 class or '09 class on what they're doing in 2010.
 
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