Comparing Pearl to some of nation's elite coaches

#76
#76
IA VOL said:
You know, I really don't think you do. But I'm glad YOU'RE not going to give him 10 years as we all know that your input will be used in his evaluation.

I really get a kick out of the posts that give the impression that Pearl has run your beloved program into the ground.
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If he doesn't get past the Sweet 16 after 10 years I'd say he'll be gone, even if I die tomorrow. And I never said he has ruined the program, I'm just going to look for continued improvement if my alma mater is shelling out 2.4 mill to a guy that occasionally wins 2 games in a row against teams that he should beat every time.
 
#77
#77
VolDad said:
Calhoun at Connecticut, Donovan at Florida, and Williams at Kansas all made it past the Sweet 16 in their 1st 4 years. When and what schools did you include for each coach?
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My bad about Donovan. He reached the finals in his fourth year? But Williams at Kansas didn't reach the elite 8 until his fifth year.

So the grand total becomes 2.
 
#79
#79
Sudeepvol said:
For a guy who knocks on Prince as much as you do, you definitely don't understand as much as me.

And first you mention "full cycle of recruits" - of which he has had 1, and now you mention 4 recruiting classes. It's not fair to judge the '08 class or '09 class on what they're doing in 2010.
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A full cycle would mean he has a team made up of solely his players---that's what leads me to believe that I get it, and you don't.

And so do I have to wait 8 years before I can knock on Pearl? Or do I have to wait until every player on that team gets four years? Or how about 12?

And it's more than fair to judge players on 2 years of college experience. Hell they only get four and if I recruit a guy I'm looking for more than 1 year of contribution.
 
#81
#81
Sudeepvol said:
For a guy who knocks on Prince as much as you do, you definitely don't understand as much as me.

And first you mention "full cycle of recruits" - of which he has had 1, and now you mention 4 recruiting classes. It's not fair to judge the '08 class or '09 class on what they're doing in 2010.
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And I'll be very happy never to see Prince cherry pick another 2 points ever again after this year.
 
#83
#83
I don't get all the Pearl criticism. The guy has done a superb job since coming to Knoxville. A solid basketball program isn't built overnight, but he has us at or near the top of our conference which in some years will mean that we are also contending nationally. When I look at Pearl's record at UT, I see consistency. All he needs is to keep recruiting great players. There is a hump that we have to get over, but I think he can do it. Anyway, fans have a right to criticize. That doesn't mean that it's justified though, especially when you consider where we were before he got here.
 
#84
#84
VolDad said:
What did Roy do 90-91 his 3rd year?
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okay, missed on that as well. I'm an idiot.

Even if the point isn't as clear as it was before, it's still 5 of the top of coaches who have established themselves throughout the years reaching the elite 8 a combined 3 times out of 20 possible tries.
 
#85
#85
This argument will continue until he wins the SEC or advances past the Sweet 16.
 
#86
#86
UTLCA said:
A full cycle would mean he has a team made up of solely his players---that's what leads me to believe that I get it, and you don't.

And so do I have to wait 8 years before I can knock on Pearl? Or do I have to wait until every player on that team gets four years? Or how about 12?

And it's more than fair to judge players on 2 years of college experience. Hell they only get four and if I recruit a guy I'm looking for more than 1 year of contribution.
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Which means he has been in one tournament with a full cycle of his players....
 
#87
#87
And I'm rooting for it. I like Pearl as a person. I've interviewed him and just talked to him about basketball and he has never shown me anything but kindness. But even he would tell you that the Sweet 16 is not enough.
 
#88
#88
Dudleys87 said:
While I agree with what you said no one will remember him if he does not produce a NC...
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I remember Ray Mears, Don Devoe, Wade Houston, Jerry Green, Buzz Peterson and the little angry curly headed guy. I'm pretty sure I'll remember Bruce Pearl
 
#90
#90
UTLCA said:
A full cycle would mean he has a team made up of solely his players---that's what leads me to believe that I get it, and you don't.

And so do I have to wait 8 years before I can knock on Pearl? Or do I have to wait until every player on that team gets four years? Or how about 12?

And it's more than fair to judge players on 2 years of college experience. Hell they only get four and if I recruit a guy I'm looking for more than 1 year of contribution.
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I think if he doesn't get past the sweet 16 in 8 years (3 years from now), then there is a lot to worry about.
 
#92
#92
Sudeepvol said:
okay, missed on that as well. I'm an idiot.

Even if the point isn't as clear as it was before, it's still 5 of the top of coaches who have established themselves throughout the years reaching the elite 8 a combined 3 times out of 20 possible tries.
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So of the coaches whose records you chose to compare to Pearl’s; the majority of them made it past the Sweet 16 within their 1st 4 years and 2 of them won Regional Championships and made it to the National Championship game. Correct?
 
#93
#93
And losing 2 guys like Jajuan and Lofton are tough to replace. I know you guys will simply bring up the fact that they aren't even NBA players, but their value to this team was enormous. But of course, you won't even consider that.
 
#95
#95
VolDad said:
So of the coaches whose records you chose to compare to Pearl’s; the majority of them made it past the Sweet 16 within their 1st 4 years and 2 of them won Regional Championships and made it to the National Championship game. Correct?
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So if Pearl made it to the Regional Championship once, just once, then you wouldn't be a critic of him? Let's just say he didn't blow that 17 point lead to Ohio St...you wouldn't mind him as a coach at all?
 
#96
#96
Sudeepvol said:
And losing 2 guys like Jajuan and Lofton are tough to replace. I know you guys will simply bring up the fact that they aren't even NBA players, but their value to this team was enormous. But of course, you won't even consider that.
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JaJuan and Chris are the best players he's ever had, and he didn't even recruit them.
 
#97
#97
Sudeepvol said:
1) So if Pearl made it to the Regional Championship once, just once, then you wouldn't be a critic of him? 2) Let's just say he didn't blow that 17 point lead to Ohio St...you wouldn't mind him as a coach at all?
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1) I blew the premise of your entire OP.

2) If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts ...
 
#98
#98
VolDad said:
So of the coaches whose records you chose to compare to Pearl’s; the majority of them made it past the Sweet 16 within their 1st 4 years and 2 of them won Regional Championships and made it to the National Championship game. Correct?
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The initial installment of Christian Laettner's Postseason Heroics is all that kept it from being 3 regional trophies.
 
#99
#99
VolDad said:
1) I blew the premise of your entire OP.

2) If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts ...
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I'm certain I can find more elite coaches who fit the billing of Pearl's early tournament failures. I picked the five that came to my head first. I give you credit for finding my mistake.

But just think hypothetically this one question: Would you still be critical of Pearl if he had not lost that 17 point lead against OSU?
 
#100
#100
UTLCA said:
JaJuan and Chris are the best players he's ever had, and he didn't even recruit them.
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Relative to their positions, I think Chism is as effective, probably even better, than Jajuan was.

And wait til next year's incoming class.
 
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