Comparing the UT and UF classes.

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gainesvol82

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I'm going to do my best MHF impression with this post. Everybody is talking about how amazing the UF class is and I agree. They will have the #1 class in the country but let's not discredit our class. We all agree that the star ranking system is flawed.

UF has a lot of recruits who are ranked highly but a lot of UT's recruits are underrated. Let's compare.

WRs

UT: Ambles, Thompkins, Milton, Meline

UF: Clark, Patton, Dunbar, Dunkley

I love UT's WR class. We have size and speed. UF has only 1 WR recruit over 6'0 and none of them are as good as Ambles/Thompkins. Edge to UT.

DL

UT: John Brown, JC Copeland, Corey Miller, Calvin Smith, Jacques Smith, Brandon Willis

UF: Ball, Orr, Easley, Floyd, Powell, Trail

DL is the biggest strength in both team's classes. UF has some beasts committed in Orr/Easley/Floyd/Powell. However, UT's class is talented and deep as well. Copeland is VERY underrated and will end up being very difficult to block. If we can add Stripling or Lemonier and one more DT, we will be loaded. UF has more interior talent but we will have better DEs. Edge to UF but not by much.

OL

UT: Fulton, James, Pair, and in on several others

UF: Silberman

No doubt that UT has the edge here, mostly because of need. We should add Chaz Green and a couple others out of Stone/Coleman/Robinson/Kuandijo/Wilson. We should have the top OL class in the country. Definite edge to UT.

DBs

UT: A. Dixon, M. Dixon

UF: Haden, Shaw, Dorsey, Riggs, Watkins, Elam, Dowling

UF has a beast of a DB class. However, they will probably lose Dorsey to us or WVU. I don't see Riggs having much of an impact. We are not looking to take too many DBs but would make room for a guy like Dorsey.
Definite edge to UF but UT will fill needs solidly.

LBs

UT: Wilson, Taylor

UF: Ajagbe

UT will add one more quality LB to this class. C. Jones or Nelson would round out this area nicely. UF signed an abundance of LBs last year. Michael Taylor is extremely underrated and looks to play like one of the better LBs in this class. Edge to UT.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones

UF: McFarland, Christian

Not a strong class for either team but Jones has the potential to be a major mismatch. Christian is a solid pickup for UF and McFarland has good size. Edge to nobody.

FB/RB

UT: Fugate

UF: Van, Brown

UT is loaded at RB from last year and added a tremendously underrated FB that will be a great weapon. Van looks to be a burner and Brown is a good back but will he be used in the system?. Look for UT to land a 4star back to round out the class. Slight edge to UF, for now.

QB

UT: Bray, Simms

UF: Burton

Simms will provide depth and Bray is the QB of the future. Bray looks underrated and should be one of the best QBs out of this class. Definite edge to UT.

STs

UT: Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Palardy will be a huge impact for UT. M. Dixon might be a good return man. UF has a bunch of guys who can return kicks but that's no different than years past. Edge to UT in kicking, UF in kick returns.


All in all, UF's class may have more starpower but UT's class will be loaded and will shore up both lines. We also have more room to add players. UF will have the #1 rated class but UTs class will have every bit as much talent and the benefit of NFL level coaching.
 
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im on board with that. they're db's are just ridiculous though. they're db's vs. our wr's will be a great match up in the coming years.
 
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Nice post, but it all depends on how well they are coached and how they contribute on the field!

That's all that matters!

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good post but there d is gonna be ridiculous we have better coaches to coach our players to be better than there 5star wanna b's
 
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When you do it like this, by position i think it evens the rankings out... I think the staff is doing a geat job with our positions of need. Great Post Gainesvol82.
 
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This is an outstanding post. The only piece I disagree with is on TE. I think UF has a major advantage. I also think that their DL is not a little bit better on the interior, but a lot better than ours. The good news is that we will be looking to get lots more interior talent next year, and we will be taking some of these guys like Willis and putting them in the weight room.

I think Florida has more raw talent in their DL class, but I trust Ed O and Monte more in player development, scheme and motivation. UF could not blow up the Sullins brothers with 5 stars, they will not be able to blow up JuWuan and Chaz and Cullen and Arie or Torrian.
 
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Thanks for the analysis! Stuff like this helps those of us who don't follow recruiting as closely, and get lost in all the rankings and star ratings drama. :good!:
 
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Back2BackGator said:
You gave your team the edge overall...4-3. If you think your class is better or even with ours then wow.
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meh i just looked at the contrast in impact at the All-Star games and the difference between the classes is starting you in the face.

i got a good laugh at a couple things like TE is a push and UF has a "slight" edge at RB/FB. My tip off that this wasn't the best analysis came from the position group above those two which said UF signed an abundance of LBs last year.

any two team's classes will never line up perfectly by position group to do a 1-to-1 comparison. that's why not looking at average quality of a position group can lead to flawed conclusions. who cares if one team takes a boatload of lower ranked players when the other fill its needs with just one or two higher rated guys. speaking of positions it would also help to use the the ones the players are actually going to be at and not just what Rivals evaluated them at.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
You gave your team the edge overall...4-3. If you think your class is better or even with ours then wow.
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I'm not so sure about this analysis, seems a bit optimistic as far as just ranking the classes. However, I would definately give UT the edge in the ability to develop what we have. You guys may have the better recruiting class, but you have taken a step backwards with your coaching staff and definately lost some continuity there. If you don't believe that... then wow. That being said, I could give two shats about your recruiting class. The future will tell whos' class is better.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
You gave your team the edge overall...4-3. If you think your class is better or even with ours then wow.
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That was a position by position breakdown. I don't agree with TE, but other than that, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't agree with the final outcome.

My only grip is the disparity in talent that UF will be bringing in. Uf's RB/FB group is FAR better than what we have. Their secondary is FAR better than any group we're putting together, other than DL. Our 2 areas of stregnth are our WR's and our DL's. Their 2 areas of stregnth are their DB's and their DL's.

That said, I feel that either one of their stregnths, when compared beside ours, would obvisouly be a better collection of talent.

So, I agree and disagree.
 
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Back2BackGator said:
You gave your team the edge overall...4-3. If you think your class is better or even with ours then wow.
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So, how would you compare your WR, OL, LB and QB class to ours then? You guys have loaded almost of your talent in this year's class at DB and DL.

You guys are doing a tremendous job in those two areas, not so much at other positions. You also have 2 more commits than we do.
 
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jrobison said:
That was a position by position breakdown. I don't agree with TE, but other than that, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't agree with the final outcome.

My only grip is the disparity in talent that UF will be bringing in. Uf's RB/FB group is FAR better than what we have. Their secondary is FAR better than any group we're putting together, other than DL. Our 2 areas of stregnth are our WR's and our DL's. Their 2 areas of stregnth are their DB's and their DL's.

That said, I feel that either one of their stregnths, when compared beside ours, would obvisouly be a better collection of talent.

So, I agree and disagree.
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Their DL class will be better than ours, but not by much. Their DB class will be comparable with our WR class. Our OL class will be one of the best in the country.

Their RB class is nothing special. Our RB class from last year, murders their class from this year.
 
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I think the biggest difference will be what we have been missing for about ten years,Player Development, I've seen players getting better from week to week this past year.Not been used to that.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Their DL class will be better than ours, but not by much. Their DB class will be comparable with our WR class. Our OL class will be one of the best in the country.

Their RB class is nothing special. Our RB class from last year, murders their class from this year.
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I just don't really agree with your logic. From top to bottom, they are way out in front IN THIS CLASS, which is what you were talking about originally. At this point, we're rebuilding a depth chart...they're just taking stud athletes and building upon what they've already got.

If were to list the top 4 positions of stregnth for both classes it would be UF DL, UF DB, UT DL, UT WR.

This is pointless, though, because a lot could change between now and NSD.

I think some of our eternal optimists are going to be highly dissappointed this coming season...we're going to be just as green as this year.
 
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In case you haven't heard gainesvol82 but Kyle Prater will be visiting UT. I don't know when but I know he's visiting. Would be a HUGE get if we somehow get him.
 
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Florida's edge comes from Floyd and Powell. Take away those two players, and I say we're ahead. But fact is, they have those two players, so it pushes them well past us. They will have the number one class. Fortunately, having the number one recruiting class doesn't always equate to having the better team.
 
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bignewt said:
im on board with that. they're db's are just ridiculous though. they're db's vs. our wr's will be a great match up in the coming years.
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I would love to see Riggs and Elam trying to man cover Prater and Ambles or Thompkins and Ambles for that matter :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
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Even at TE? Gerald Christian is the #2 TE in the country. So maybe. Slight edge to UF at RB? Are you kidding? UF has one of the best RB's in the nation comitted and UT has nobody. How is that a SLIGHT edge to UF?

The classes are pretty even though. Not much difference between a #6 class and a #1 class. The only difference is that UF is getting a number of players that are rated as the best at their position. But what are ratings if not subjective?

Whoever coaches them up better will win.
 
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Coastypop said:
I would love to see Riggs and Elam trying to man cover Prater and Ambles or Thompkins and Ambles for that matter :rock: :rock: :rock:
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can this be the last time i hear people clamoring to see nickelbacks and safety/linebackers in man coverage on matchups they will likely never have? it's funny you just don't see comments like this about Josh Shaw.
 
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