Comparing the UT and UF classes.

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Maryvillevol37 said:
I hate it when things are starting me in the face :p

Taylor won MVP (I think) at the UA game. Ambles looked impressive (minus that drop) yesterday and Dixon did a pretty good job of limiting Prater despite the fact that the coaches moved him from safety to cornerback for the game.

Florida's class is better than Tennessee's, but its not like Tennessee has a bunch of scrubs. Once they see the field next year, we will see how much those extra stars are really worth.
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Not really, because only 3 or 4 of these guys are going to get any kind of legitimate playing time as freshmen. Despite the national media telling you otherwise, there wasn't a mass exodous at UF. There are a lot of juniors and seniors on that depth chart.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
Let's do that, but without the absurd homer shades on. The numbers are the players' position ranking according to ESPN. If ESPN doesn't have a player listed at the position he'll play at the school, the ranking from Rivals or Scout is substituted (for example, both Elam for UF and M. Dixon for UT are listed as athletes by ESPN; so their ranking for their real positions were taken from Rivals or Scout):

WRs

UT: #7 Ambles, #30 Meline, #33 Milton, (JC) Thompkins,

UF: #2 Dunkley, #12 Patton, #43 Dunbar, Dowling may play WR at UF, but he's the #1 S. Clark isn't a WR; he's a CB/K-P/R.

Slight advantage Florida.



DL

UT: #6 Corey Miller, #9 Brandon Willis, #19 Calvin Smith, #29 Jacques Smith, #32 Copeland, (JC) John Brown (former UF player that didn't see PT in a single game).

UF: #2 Powell, #5 Orr, #5 Easley, #6 Floyd, #19 Ball, #60 Trail

This one is an epic mismatch. Edge to Florida by a wide margin.

OL

UT: #7 James, #92 Pair, #91 Fulton

UF: #2 Silberman

Silberman almost makes this one equal all by himself. Slight edge to UT for sheer numbers.

DBs

UT: #3 A. Dixon, #79 M. Dixon

UF: #1 Dowling, #1 Elam, #2 Dorsey, #3 Shaw, #7 Riggs, #5 Watkins, #44 Haden.

Another complete mismatch. UF may have assembled one of the finest DB classes ever. Huge edge Florida.

LBs

UT: #12 Taylor, #84 Williams

UF: #23 Ajagbe

Advantage UT here... until Hicks announces anyway.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones Nobody is calling Jones a TE, so he has no ranking there. He's considered the #27 DE.

UF: #2 Christian, #12 McFarland,

Huge advantage for UF with 2 bona fide TE's, one of which is the second best in the nation according to ESPN AND Rivals... not to mention Powell, who caught a TD as a TE at the AA game.

FB/RB

UT: #40 Fugate

UF: #3 Brown, Van. Van has no ranking because he's a prep player, but is a 4* RB.

Huge edge to UF. We're not counting recruits from last year's class in an analysis for this class.

QB

UT: #6 Bray, JC Simms. no rating, but he's a 3* QB

UF: #18 Burton

Advantage UT, and boy do they need it.

STs

UT: #15 Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Not much to see here. One team got a kicker, and the other got several guys who can return punts and kicks.

All in all, UF's class is far and away the much stronger class. With 15 of their 24 commitments on the ESPN150 list, it's currently #1. UT's class, with 7 of 23 commitments on the ESPN150 list, is very good, but not really in the same league. So, saying UT's class has every bit as much talent really isn't even remotely accurate; and we also have room to add more players. And UF players will benefit from NFL coaching as well, since our new DC was the longest tenured coach on the Dolphins staff, and our QB coach and RB coach also have NFL experience.
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Dude hicks isnt coming to UF get over it, love the Scared jorts!!:rock:
And lets compare Cromptons stats to Tebows this year
 
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AFL2008 said:
Not really, because only 3 or 4 of these guys are going to get any kind of legitimate playing time as freshmen. Despite the national media telling you otherwise, there wasn't a mass exodous at UF. There are a lot of juniors and seniors on that depth chart.
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Which is what I'm saying. All these recruits aren't just going to come in here and blow everybody out of the water. Florida will probably have around 5 guys contribute significantly, just like Tennessee will probably have around 5 guys come in and contribute significantly.

With that being said, we will see if Florida's few recruits that contribute are really a "star better" than Tennessee's few recruits that contribute.
 
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Maryvillevol37 said:
Which is what I'm saying. All these recruits aren't just going to come in here and blow everybody out of the water. Florida will probably have around 5 guys contribute significantly, just like Tennessee will probably have around 5 guys come in and contribute significantly.

With that being said, we will see if Florida's few recruits that contribute are really a "star better" than Tennessee's few recruits that contribute.
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How do you measure that though? Individual Stats? Or wins and losses? Team stats?

Georgia fans love to talk about how awesome Rennie Curran is because he gets so many tackles, but at 8-5, with a horribly ranked team defense, isn't he underachieving?
 
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#55
I like the analysis from the Gator that assumes none of UT's commits can return kicks.
 
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AFL2008 said:
How do you measure that though? Individual Stats? Or wins and losses? Team stats?

Georgia fans love to talk about how awesome Rennie Curran is because he gets so many tackles, but at 8-5, with a horribly ranked team defense, isn't he underachieving?
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You measure by seeing how much the player improves his team when he is on the field. If they really are 5*'s then the talent should be evident, whether or not he makes a few freshman mistakes.

As to Rennie Curran, that doesn't mean Julio Jones is overachieving just because he is on Alabama.

Both players are great because it would be a huge loss if either player couldn't play.
 
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#58
I also like how Jacques Smith is somehow the #29 defensive end and how the reason for John Brown not getting PT isn't mentioned.

I'm fairly certain the guy who abhors "absurd homer shades" spent quite a bit of time skewing this comparison to make UT look worse.
 
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#59
all these rankings and stars they give these kids are meaningless. you can take a class with 15 four star atheletes and if they have the right coaching can be the best class in the country. you can take a class with 4 five star atheletes and 11 four stars and it can turn into garbage without the right coaching and/or system. the point is, neither the UF or UT fans know how these classes will pan out until they get on the field and we get to see the consistent product. First of all, there's talent all around this country and plenty of it to go around, so bringing in top 3 recruiting classes isn't what makes a team great. anyone who's ever played and/or coached knows that success starts at the top. all these great recruiting classes haven't been what's made florida great, they've had great player development and coaching on both sides of the ball. look at tennessee, with the exception of a couple of years we've still been consistently one of the best recruiting schools in the nation, these mediocre products you've seen over the latter part of fulmer's tenure were the direct result of poor player development and coaching. Not one single UF fan knows what will happen with the coaching situation, and i and other vol fans simply have not seen enough of kiffin to make a final judgement on the development of players.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Why does it not surprise me that you used ESPN's trash rankings? I'll take our staff's evaluations of player talent over ESPN or your staff any day of the week.

There is no doubt that UF has more star power. However, there is no doubt that we have a much stronger class at OL, WR, QB and LB while having a DL class that is close behind UF's DL class. Coach O will make the difference in making sure our DL class ends up playing better.

You are also not taking into account that we have fewer players committed and are in it with quite a few more elite players.
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You people are hillarious. "I'll take our staff's evals over ESPN's or Rivals'."

Oh, so you just recently talked to Lane and he gave you a grade for every prospect? Really? I mean REALLY?

Take the biased thinking out of the equation for alittle bit.

I really do see the Gators taking Hicks, especially after they signed Edwards as a DC. I think that will sway Hicks in a big way towards Florida. Much like it did Floyd.

You do know it goes vice versa. "I'll take Florida's opinion over ESPN's all day." Blah blah.

I really don't see how you can even compare the 2 classes. By far Florida has the better class. Florida isn't even done yet either.

Florida is still much in the mix for these guys.
  • Kyle Prater
  • Seantrel Henderson
  • Jordan Hicks
  • Dillon Baxter
  • Dietrich Riley
  • Christian Jones
  • Da'rick Rogers
  • Chaz Green
  • Kadron Boone
  • Matt James
  • Adrian Coxson
  • Andrew Hendrix

After signing day i hope this thread is still alive. At this point, i don't see any one that can come close to Florida to take over the #1 spot.
 
#61
#61
Yeah I got you. Lawrence Marsh is probably UF's best DT right now, (he missed most of last season with an injury) and he came in as a 3* defensive end.

UF had 4 five star players come in in 2007, but Cam Newton got kicked off the team, Torrey Davis only had one big play in his career (4th down stop against OU) before he left the team, James Wilson was immensely talented, but never could beat out Mike Pouncey and is battling like heck to beat out 3* Maurice Hurt on the offensive line.

But for the most part, since Meyer has come to UF, the gators have certainly gotten a lot out of their players.
 
#63
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gainesvol82 said:
I'm going to do my best MHF impression with this post. Everybody is talking about how amazing the UF class is and I agree. They will have the #1 class in the country but let's not discredit our class. We all agree that the star ranking system is flawed.

UF has a lot of recruits who are ranked highly but a lot of UT's recruits are underrated. Let's compare.

WRs

UT: Ambles, Thompkins, Milton, Meline

UF: Clark, Patton, Dunbar, Dunkley

I love UT's WR class. We have size and speed. UF has only 1 WR recruit over 6'0 and none of them are as good as Ambles/Thompkins. Edge to UT.

DL

UT: John Brown, JC Copeland, Corey Miller, Calvin Smith, Jacques Smith, Brandon Willis

UF: Ball, Orr, Easley, Floyd, Powell, Trail

DL is the biggest strength in both team's classes. UF has some beasts committed in Orr/Easley/Floyd/Powell. However, UT's class is talented and deep as well. Copeland is VERY underrated and will end up being very difficult to block. If we can add Stripling or Lemonier and one more DT, we will be loaded. UF has more interior talent but we will have better DEs. Edge to UF but not by much.

OL

UT: Fulton, James, Pair, and in on several others

UF: Silberman

No doubt that UT has the edge here, mostly because of need. We should add Chaz Green and a couple others out of Stone/Coleman/Robinson/Kuandijo/Wilson. We should have the top OL class in the country. Definite edge to UT.

DBs

UT: A. Dixon, M. Dixon

UF: Haden, Shaw, Dorsey, Riggs, Watkins, Elam, Dowling

UF has a beast of a DB class. However, they will probably lose Dorsey to us or WVU. I don't see Riggs having much of an impact. We are not looking to take too many DBs but would make room for a guy like Dorsey.
Definite edge to UF but UT will fill needs solidly.

LBs

UT: Wilson, Taylor

UF: Ajagbe

UT will add one more quality LB to this class. C. Jones or Nelson would round out this area nicely. UF signed an abundance of LBs last year. Michael Taylor is extremely underrated and looks to play like one of the better LBs in this class. Edge to UT.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones

UF: McFarland, Christian

Not a strong class for either team but Jones has the potential to be a major mismatch. Christian is a solid pickup for UF and McFarland has good size. Edge to nobody.

FB/RB

UT: Fugate

UF: Van, Brown

UT is loaded at RB from last year and added a tremendously underrated FB that will be a great weapon. Van looks to be a burner and Brown is a good back but will he be used in the system?. Look for UT to land a 4star back to round out the class. Slight edge to UF, for now.

QB

UT: Bray, Simms

UF: Burton

Simms will provide depth and Bray is the QB of the future. Bray looks underrated and should be one of the best QBs out of this class. Definite edge to UT.

STs

UT: Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Palardy will be a huge impact for UT. M. Dixon might be a good return man. UF has a bunch of guys who can return kicks but that's no different than years past. Edge to UT in kicking, UF in kick returns.


All in all, UF's class may have more starpower but UT's class will be loaded and will shore up both lines. We also have more room to add players. UF will have the #1 rated class but UTs class will have every bit as much talent and the benefit of NFL level coaching.
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TN will not have better DEs, deeper maybe but not better, Powell is far and away better than any of our DE committs at this time.
 
#64
#64
crev said:
You people are hillarious. "I'll take our staff's evals over ESPN's or Rivals'."

Oh, so you just recently talked to Lane and he gave you a grade for every prospect? Really? I mean REALLY?

Take the biased thinking out of the equation for alittle bit.

I really do see the Gators taking Hicks, especially after they signed Edwards as a DC. I think that will sway Hicks in a big way towards Florida. Much like it did Floyd.

You do know it goes vice versa. "I'll take Florida's opinion over ESPN's all day." Blah blah.

I really don't see how you can even compare the 2 classes. By far Florida has the better class. Florida isn't even done yet either.

Florida is still much in the mix for these guys.
  • Kyle Prater
  • Seantrel Henderson
  • Jordan Hicks
  • Dillon Baxter
  • Dietrich Riley
  • Christian Jones
  • Da'rick Rogers
  • Chaz Green
  • Kadron Boone
  • Matt James
  • Adrian Coxson
  • Andrew Hendrix

After signing day i hope this thread is still alive. At this point, i don't see any one that can come close to Florida to take over the #1 spot.
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dude read my other post, you don't get a trophy for landing the #1 class. And i would certainly hope that you would take your staff's opinion over the opinion of a sports network. You have any idea of how many ESPN top 150 atheletes turn out to be complete busts? plenty. it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference, you might have the #1 class according to ESPN, rivals, or scout, but the truth is, you have absolutely no clue and will not have a clue as to how good it truly is until 2 or 3 years down the road. As i said earlier, certain systems are only good for certain types of players and certains types of talent, the only way a great recruiting class is formed is through a perfect match of coaching, player development, system, and the type of talent that fits that system. i couldn't care less if we get the #1 class or the #20 class as long as we get the right players with the right character that can be properly developed to fit our system.
 
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crev said:
You people are hillarious. "I'll take our staff's evals over ESPN's or Rivals'."

Oh, so you just recently talked to Lane and he gave you a grade for every prospect? Really? I mean REALLY?

Take the biased thinking out of the equation for alittle bit.

I really do see the Gators taking Hicks, especially after they signed Edwards as a DC. I think that will sway Hicks in a big way towards Florida. Much like it did Floyd.

You do know it goes vice versa. "I'll take Florida's opinion over ESPN's all day." Blah blah.

I really don't see how you can even compare the 2 classes. By far Florida has the better class. Florida isn't even done yet either.

Florida is still much in the mix for these guys.
  • Kyle Prater
  • Seantrel Henderson
  • Jordan Hicks
  • Dillon Baxter
  • Dietrich Riley
  • Christian Jones
  • Da'rick Rogers
  • Chaz Green
  • Kadron Boone
  • Matt James
  • Adrian Coxson
  • Andrew Hendrix

After signing day i hope this thread is still alive. At this point, i don't see any one that can come close to Florida to take over the #1 spot.
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They have one spot left tho lol
 
#68
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kiffincrazy28 said:
Dude hicks isnt coming to UF get over it, love the Scared jorts!!:rock:
And lets compare Cromptons stats to Tebows this year
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i heard the very same thing here about Sharrif Floyd only a couple of days ago and unlike Floyd's position which is backlogged this year, outside linebacker has true freshman backup playing time written all over it for someone to take. and Hicks would be in prime position to start in 2011.

Texas has a pretty young linebacking corp with two great outside linebacker prospects already committed.

Florida should be considered the favorite. probably would have already been enrolled in Austin if he didn't hit it off with Trey Burton.
 
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orangepridenation said:
dude read my other post, you don't get a trophy for landing the #1 class. And i would certainly hope that you would take your staff's opinion over the opinion of a sports network. You have any idea of how many ESPN top 150 atheletes turn out to be complete busts? plenty. it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference, you might have the #1 class according to ESPN, rivals, or scout, but the truth is, you have absolutely no clue and will not have a clue as to how good it truly is until 2 or 3 years down the road. As i said earlier, certain systems are only good for certain types of players and certains types of talent, the only way a great recruiting class is formed is through a perfect match of coaching, player development, system, and the type of talent that fits that system. i couldn't care less if we get the #1 class or the #20 class as long as we get the right players with the right character that can be properly developed to fit our system.
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Yeah, but landing the #1 class sure won't HURT Florida's chances going forward.
 
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AFL2008 said:
LB is not a draw. Have you seen UF's LB depth chart?

SR Brandon Hicks, 4*, #8 OLB
SR-RS AJ Jones, 4*, #13 OLB
SR Lorenzo Edwards, 4*, #6 OLB
JR Lerentee McCray, 4*, #10 OLB
SO-RS Brandon Beal, 4*, #3 MLB
SO Jonathan Bostic, 4*, #4 MLB
SO Jelani Jenkins, 5*, #1 OLB

Players added that could play LB in 2010

Gideon Adjagbe, 3*, #34 OLB
Neiron Ball, 4*, #19 WDE
Matt Elam, 5*, #2 SAF

So, unless I'm missing something, how do UT and UF have equal depth charts at LB?

And what about RB?

UF has:

Jeff Demps, 4*, #7 RB
Chris Rainey, 4*, #4 RB
Emmanuel Moody, 4*, #9 RB
Mike Gilislee, 4*, #7 RB

and maybe

Mack Brown, 4*, #8 RB

So UF potentially has 5 RB's that were all ranked in the top 10 at their position in the year they were recruited. I think that is pretty equal to what UT has on the sideline.

And that doesn't include Travon Van that can play the position as well.
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LB is a slight edge for the gators but RB is an edge for TN - I didn't see much of a running game from the gators this year except for Urban's savior. let's get this argument off paper and on the field. the stars handed out by rivals or scout are useless unless confirmed by play on the field.
 
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cinnanutz said:
LB is a slight edge for the gators but RB is an edge for TN - I didn't see much of a running game from the gators this year except for Urban's savior. let's get this argument off paper and on the field. the stars handed out by rivals or scout are useless unless confirmed by play on the field.
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The 4 running backs that are currently on the Florida roster combined for 277 carries, 1965 yards, 16 TD's and caught 19 passes, 219 yards, 2 TD's.

Florida's RB's are overrated by Florida vans, and VASTLY underrated by the opposition.

UF had the #10 rushing offense in the country in 2010, and it wasn't just because of Tebow. For those at home not doing the math, the RB's at Florida averaged 7.88 YARDS PER CARRY!
 
#72
#72
Moody is the only RB the gators have. I guess the others would be scat backs. I can't really think of another term for them, but they are not RBs...
 
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#73
Lord Vader said:
Moody is the only RB the gators have. I guess the others would be scat backs. I can't really think of another term for them, but they are not RBs...
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This isn't the first time you've forgotten Mike Gillislee. he's no scatback.

i hope Moody full recovers from his recent surgery to remove the bone spurs that have been the source of his ankle problems this season.
 
#75
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It kills me to come onto VolNation, and when I come in the recruiting section I see Gators talking about who they are going to pull. And today, I come in and see the Gators depth chart in this thread :no:
 
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