Comparing the UT and UF classes.

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I'm going to do my best MHF impression with this post. Everybody is talking about how amazing the UF class is and I agree. They will have the #1 class in the country but let's not discredit our class. We all agree that the star ranking system is flawed.

UF has a lot of recruits who are ranked highly but a lot of UT's recruits are underrated. Let's compare.

WRs

UT: Ambles, Thompkins, Milton, Meline

UF: Clark, Patton, Dunbar, Dunkley

I love UT's WR class. We have size and speed. UF has only 1 WR recruit over 6'0 and none of them are as good as Ambles/Thompkins. Edge to UT.

DL

UT: John Brown, JC Copeland, Corey Miller, Calvin Smith, Jacques Smith, Brandon Willis

UF: Ball, Orr, Easley, Floyd, Powell, Trail

DL is the biggest strength in both team's classes. UF has some beasts committed in Orr/Easley/Floyd/Powell. However, UT's class is talented and deep as well. Copeland is VERY underrated and will end up being very difficult to block. If we can add Stripling or Lemonier and one more DT, we will be loaded. UF has more interior talent but we will have better DEs. Edge to UF but not by much.

OL

UT: Fulton, James, Pair, and in on several others

UF: Silberman

No doubt that UT has the edge here, mostly because of need. We should add Chaz Green and a couple others out of Stone/Coleman/Robinson/Kuandijo/Wilson. We should have the top OL class in the country. Definite edge to UT.

DBs

UT: A. Dixon, M. Dixon

UF: Haden, Shaw, Dorsey, Riggs, Watkins, Elam, Dowling

UF has a beast of a DB class. However, they will probably lose Dorsey to us or WVU. I don't see Riggs having much of an impact. We are not looking to take too many DBs but would make room for a guy like Dorsey.
Definite edge to UF but UT will fill needs solidly.

LBs

UT: Wilson, Taylor

UF: Ajagbe

UT will add one more quality LB to this class. C. Jones or Nelson would round out this area nicely. UF signed an abundance of LBs last year. Michael Taylor is extremely underrated and looks to play like one of the better LBs in this class. Edge to UT.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones

UF: McFarland, Christian

Not a strong class for either team but Jones has the potential to be a major mismatch. Christian is a solid pickup for UF and McFarland has good size. Edge to nobody.

FB/RB

UT: Fugate

UF: Van, Brown

UT is loaded at RB from last year and added a tremendously underrated FB that will be a great weapon. Van looks to be a burner and Brown is a good back but will he be used in the system?. Look for UT to land a 4star back to round out the class. Slight edge to UF, for now.

QB

UT: Bray, Simms

UF: Burton

Simms will provide depth and Bray is the QB of the future. Bray looks underrated and should be one of the best QBs out of this class. Definite edge to UT.

STs

UT: Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Palardy will be a huge impact for UT. M. Dixon might be a good return man. UF has a bunch of guys who can return kicks but that's no different than years past. Edge to UT in kicking, UF in kick returns.


All in all, UF's class may have more starpower but UT's class will be loaded and will shore up both lines. We also have more room to add players. UF will have the #1 rated class but UTs class will have every bit as much talent and the benefit of NFL level coaching.

Excellent post!!

Two things:

1. If we somehow pull Prater, then Ambles and Chaz Green get the bump to 5* then we match UF in 5*'s and probably out number them in 4's...which could very well lead to us taking over #1

2. You have to remember that we had very specific needs in this class (QB, OL, DL, speed at skill positions)...and UF could basically just load up an already stacked roster...


As far as #2 goes...I don't think you can quantify how well our staff is meeting/will meet those glaring needs with this class
 
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can this be the last time i hear people clamoring to see nickelbacks and safety/linebackers in man coverage on matchups they will likely never have? it's funny you just don't see comments like this about Josh Shaw.

I'd pay to see a Shaw- Prater/Ambles/Milton/ Thompkins matchup especially Prater (If (thats a big if) we get him) and Milton with their height
 
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I'd pay to see a Shaw- Prater/Ambles/Milton/ Thompkins matchup especially Prater (If (thats a big if) we get him) and Milton with their height
buy a ticket in a couple of years and you will. you might even get to see it this September.
 
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Excellent post!!

Two things:

1. If we somehow pull Prater, then Ambles and Chaz Green get the bump to 5* then we match UF in 5*'s and probably out number them in 4's...which could very well lead to us taking over #1

2. You have to remember that we had very specific needs in this class (QB, OL, DL, speed at skill positions)...and UF could basically just load up an already stacked roster...


As far as #2 goes...I don't think you can quantify how well our staff is meeting/will meet those glaring needs with this class
you think Ambles and Green are getting their fifth star and Dominique Easley and Josh Shaw wouldn't?

then there's Jordan Hicks and Seantrel Henderson who Florida's in the final two for each.
 
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you think Ambles and Green are getting their fifth star and Dominique Easley and Josh Shaw wouldn't?

then there's Jordan Hicks and Seantrel Henderson who Florida's in the final two for each.

I don't follow UF's recruits enough to know...I've just heard Ambles is all but certain to get a 5th and Green is in strong consideration...I have heard Easely is in strong consideration for a 5th...

If UF lands Henderson or Hicks (or both) then this is all moot and UF gets #1 hands down
 
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I just don't see why recruits are gung-ho about going to a program where the HC's health is in question, and playing for a staff who they have yet to finalize.
 
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I don't follow UF's recruits enough to know...I've just heard Ambles is all but certain to get a 5th and Green is in strong consideration...I have heard Easely is in strong consideration for a 5th...

If UF lands Henderson or Hicks (or both) then this is all moot and UF gets #1 hands down
Shaw is one spot away from a 5-star and had an excellent UA game.
 
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Comparing recruiting classes is a nice exercise, but it doesn't take into consideration how well each team fills their needs. Also, the classes have a way to go. UF has four more spots to fill plus replacing any defections or non-qualifiers.

It would obviously be better to compare the entire depth chart of the two teams.

If you do, UF would lead at almost every position except PK (Palardy is tops) and RB (draw or slight lead to UT) and LB (even).

We've got the upper hand at QB, WR, OL, DL, CB, S and P.
 
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The best part is, is that on ST's none of their guys will be able to touch the ball cause Palardy will kick it through the endzone :)
 
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how bout we wait and see how these guys develop under their and are programs... what i have seen in one year is kiffin has taken guys who culd not get it done at the college level and turn the into very good sec players... we know bama and uf will keep getting top talent we need to coach them up and out coach them... where i think e have a edge over uf and we outcoached bama in year one... so lets wait and see
 
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I'm going to do my best MHF impression with this post. Everybody is talking about how amazing the UF class is and I agree. They will have the #1 class in the country but let's not discredit our class. We all agree that the star ranking system is flawed.

UF has a lot of recruits who are ranked highly but a lot of UT's recruits are underrated. Let's compare.

WRs

UT: Ambles, Thompkins, Milton, Meline

UF: Clark, Patton, Dunbar, Dunkley

I love UT's WR class. We have size and speed. UF has only 1 WR recruit over 6'0 and none of them are as good as Ambles/Thompkins. Edge to UT.

DL

UT: John Brown, JC Copeland, Corey Miller, Calvin Smith, Jacques Smith, Brandon Willis

UF: Ball, Orr, Easley, Floyd, Powell, Trail

DL is the biggest strength in both team's classes. UF has some beasts committed in Orr/Easley/Floyd/Powell. However, UT's class is talented and deep as well. Copeland is VERY underrated and will end up being very difficult to block. If we can add Stripling or Lemonier and one more DT, we will be loaded. UF has more interior talent but we will have better DEs. Edge to UF but not by much.

OL

UT: Fulton, James, Pair, and in on several others

UF: Silberman

No doubt that UT has the edge here, mostly because of need. We should add Chaz Green and a couple others out of Stone/Coleman/Robinson/Kuandijo/Wilson. We should have the top OL class in the country. Definite edge to UT.

DBs

UT: A. Dixon, M. Dixon

UF: Haden, Shaw, Dorsey, Riggs, Watkins, Elam, Dowling

UF has a beast of a DB class. However, they will probably lose Dorsey to us or WVU. I don't see Riggs having much of an impact. We are not looking to take too many DBs but would make room for a guy like Dorsey.
Definite edge to UF but UT will fill needs solidly.

LBs

UT: Wilson, Taylor

UF: Ajagbe

UT will add one more quality LB to this class. C. Jones or Nelson would round out this area nicely. UF signed an abundance of LBs last year. Michael Taylor is extremely underrated and looks to play like one of the better LBs in this class. Edge to UT.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones

UF: McFarland, Christian

Not a strong class for either team but Jones has the potential to be a major mismatch. Christian is a solid pickup for UF and McFarland has good size. Edge to nobody.

FB/RB

UT: Fugate

UF: Van, Brown

UT is loaded at RB from last year and added a tremendously underrated FB that will be a great weapon. Van looks to be a burner and Brown is a good back but will he be used in the system?. Look for UT to land a 4star back to round out the class. Slight edge to UF, for now.

QB

UT: Bray, Simms

UF: Burton

Simms will provide depth and Bray is the QB of the future. Bray looks underrated and should be one of the best QBs out of this class. Definite edge to UT.

STs

UT: Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Palardy will be a huge impact for UT. M. Dixon might be a good return man. UF has a bunch of guys who can return kicks but that's no different than years past. Edge to UT in kicking, UF in kick returns.


All in all, UF's class may have more starpower but UT's class will be loaded and will shore up both lines. We also have more room to add players. UF will have the #1 rated class but UTs class will have every bit as much talent and the benefit of NFL level coaching.

Let's do that, but without the absurd homer shades on. The numbers are the players' position ranking according to ESPN. If ESPN doesn't have a player listed at the position he'll play at the school, the ranking from Rivals or Scout is substituted (for example, both Elam for UF and M. Dixon for UT are listed as athletes by ESPN; so their ranking for their real positions were taken from Rivals or Scout):

WRs

UT: #7 Ambles, #30 Meline, #33 Milton, (JC) Thompkins,

UF: #2 Dunkley, #12 Patton, #43 Dunbar, Dowling may play WR at UF, but he's the #1 S. Clark isn't a WR; he's a CB/K-P/R.

Slight advantage Florida.



DL

UT: #6 Corey Miller, #9 Brandon Willis, #19 Calvin Smith, #29 Jacques Smith, #32 Copeland, (JC) John Brown (former UF player that didn't see PT in a single game).

UF: #2 Powell, #5 Orr, #5 Easley, #6 Floyd, #19 Ball, #60 Trail

This one is an epic mismatch. Edge to Florida by a wide margin.

OL

UT: #7 James, #92 Pair, #91 Fulton

UF: #2 Silberman

Silberman almost makes this one equal all by himself. Slight edge to UT for sheer numbers.

DBs

UT: #3 A. Dixon, #79 M. Dixon

UF: #1 Dowling, #1 Elam, #2 Dorsey, #3 Shaw, #7 Riggs, #5 Watkins, #44 Haden.

Another complete mismatch. UF may have assembled one of the finest DB classes ever. Huge edge Florida.

LBs

UT: #12 Taylor, #84 Williams

UF: #23 Ajagbe

Advantage UT here... until Hicks announces anyway.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones Nobody is calling Jones a TE, so he has no ranking there. He's considered the #27 DE.

UF: #2 Christian, #12 McFarland,

Huge advantage for UF with 2 bona fide TE's, one of which is the second best in the nation according to ESPN AND Rivals... not to mention Powell, who caught a TD as a TE at the AA game.

FB/RB

UT: #40 Fugate

UF: #3 Brown, Van. Van has no ranking because he's a prep player, but is a 4* RB.

Huge edge to UF. We're not counting recruits from last year's class in an analysis for this class.

QB

UT: #6 Bray, JC Simms. no rating, but he's a 3* QB

UF: #18 Burton

Advantage UT, and boy do they need it.

STs

UT: #15 Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Not much to see here. One team got a kicker, and the other got several guys who can return punts and kicks.

All in all, UF's class is far and away the much stronger class. With 15 of their 24 commitments on the ESPN150 list, it's currently #1. UT's class, with 7 of 23 commitments on the ESPN150 list, is very good, but not really in the same league. So, saying UT's class has every bit as much talent really isn't even remotely accurate; and we also have room to add more players. And UF players will benefit from NFL coaching as well, since our new DC was the longest tenured coach on the Dolphins staff, and our QB coach and RB coach also have NFL experience.
 
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can this be the last time i hear people clamoring to see nickelbacks and safety/linebackers in man coverage on matchups they will likely never have? it's funny you just don't see comments like this about Josh Shaw.

I'd love to see Josh Shaw try to handle Ambles. He'd get done like all the others that try to cover him.
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I'm going to do my best MHF impression with this post. Everybody is talking about how amazing the UF class is and I agree. They will have the #1 class in the country but let's not discredit our class. We all agree that the star ranking system is flawed.

UF has a lot of recruits who are ranked highly but a lot of UT's recruits are underrated. Let's compare.

WRs

UT: Ambles, Thompkins, Milton, Meline

UF: Clark, Patton, Dunbar, Dunkley

I love UT's WR class. We have size and speed. UF has only 1 WR recruit over 6'0 and none of them are as good as Ambles/Thompkins. Edge to UT.

DL

UT: John Brown, JC Copeland, Corey Miller, Calvin Smith, Jacques Smith, Brandon Willis

UF: Ball, Orr, Easley, Floyd, Powell, Trail

DL is the biggest strength in both team's classes. UF has some beasts committed in Orr/Easley/Floyd/Powell. However, UT's class is talented and deep as well. Copeland is VERY underrated and will end up being very difficult to block. If we can add Stripling or Lemonier and one more DT, we will be loaded. UF has more interior talent but we will have better DEs. Edge to UF but not by much.

OL

UT: Fulton, James, Pair, and in on several others

UF: Silberman

No doubt that UT has the edge here, mostly because of need. We should add Chaz Green and a couple others out of Stone/Coleman/Robinson/Kuandijo/Wilson. We should have the top OL class in the country. Definite edge to UT.

DBs

UT: A. Dixon, M. Dixon

UF: Haden, Shaw, Dorsey, Riggs, Watkins, Elam, Dowling

UF has a beast of a DB class. However, they will probably lose Dorsey to us or WVU. I don't see Riggs having much of an impact. We are not looking to take too many DBs but would make room for a guy like Dorsey.
Definite edge to UF but UT will fill needs solidly.

LBs

UT: Wilson, Taylor

UF: Ajagbe

UT will add one more quality LB to this class. C. Jones or Nelson would round out this area nicely. UF signed an abundance of LBs last year. Michael Taylor is extremely underrated and looks to play like one of the better LBs in this class. Edge to UT.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones

UF: McFarland, Christian

Not a strong class for either team but Jones has the potential to be a major mismatch. Christian is a solid pickup for UF and McFarland has good size. Edge to nobody.

FB/RB

UT: Fugate

UF: Van, Brown

UT is loaded at RB from last year and added a tremendously underrated FB that will be a great weapon. Van looks to be a burner and Brown is a good back but will he be used in the system?. Look for UT to land a 4star back to round out the class. Slight edge to UF, for now.

QB

UT: Bray, Simms

UF: Burton

Simms will provide depth and Bray is the QB of the future. Bray looks underrated and should be one of the best QBs out of this class. Definite edge to UT.

STs

UT: Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Palardy will be a huge impact for UT. M. Dixon might be a good return man. UF has a bunch of guys who can return kicks but that's no different than years past. Edge to UT in kicking, UF in kick returns.


All in all, UF's class may have more starpower but UT's class will be loaded and will shore up both lines. We also have more room to add players. UF will have the #1 rated class but UTs class will have every bit as much talent and the benefit of NFL level coaching.
:zeitung_lesen: very interesting I think you are right and the referees are pitiful as usual in the UT KS BB game. GO VOLS
 
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Let's do that, but without the absurd homer shades on. The numbers are the players' position ranking according to ESPN. If ESPN doesn't have a player listed at the position he'll play at the school, the ranking from Rivals or Scout is substituted (for example, both Elam for UF and M. Dixon for UT are listed as athletes by ESPN; so their ranking for their real positions were taken from Rivals or Scout):

WRs

UT: #7 Ambles, #30 Meline, #33 Milton, (JC) Thompkins,

UF: #2 Dunkley, #12 Patton, #43 Dunbar, Dowling may play WR at UF, but he's the #1 S. Clark isn't a WR; he's a CB/K-P/R.

Slight advantage Florida.



DL

UT: #6 Corey Miller, #9 Brandon Willis, #19 Calvin Smith, #29 Jacques Smith, #32 Copeland, (JC) John Brown (former UF player that didn't see PT in a single game).

UF: #2 Powell, #5 Orr, #5 Easley, #6 Floyd, #19 Ball, #60 Trail

This one is an epic mismatch. Edge to Florida by a wide margin.

OL

UT: #7 James, #92 Pair, #91 Fulton

UF: #2 Silberman

Silberman almost makes this one equal all by himself. Slight edge to UT for sheer numbers.

DBs

UT: #3 A. Dixon, #79 M. Dixon

UF: #1 Dowling, #1 Elam, #2 Dorsey, #3 Shaw, #7 Riggs, #5 Watkins, #44 Haden.

Another complete mismatch. UF may have assembled one of the finest DB classes ever. Huge edge Florida.

LBs

UT: #12 Taylor, #84 Williams

UF: #23 Ajagbe

Advantage UT here... until Hicks announces anyway.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones Nobody is calling Jones a TE, so he has no ranking there. He's considered the #27 DE.

UF: #2 Christian, #12 McFarland,

Huge advantage for UF with 2 bona fide TE's, one of which is the second best in the nation according to ESPN AND Rivals... not to mention Powell, who caught a TD as a TE at the AA game.

FB/RB

UT: #40 Fugate

UF: #3 Brown, Van. Van has no ranking because he's a prep player, but is a 4* RB.

Huge edge to UF. We're not counting recruits from last year's class in an analysis for this class.

QB

UT: #6 Bray, JC Simms. no rating, but he's a 3* QB

UF: #18 Burton

Advantage UT, and boy do they need it.

STs

UT: #15 Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Not much to see here. One team got a kicker, and the other got several guys who can return punts and kicks.

All in all, UF's class is far and away the much stronger class. With 15 of their 24 commitments on the ESPN150 list, it's currently #1. UT's class, with 7 of 23 commitments on the ESPN150 list, is very good, but not really in the same league. So, saying UT's class has every bit as much talent really isn't even remotely accurate; and we also have room to add more players. And UF players will benefit from NFL coaching as well, since our new DC was the longest tenured coach on the Dolphins staff, and our QB coach and RB coach also have NFL experience.

Wow just wow..... You used ESPN at that this is hilarious.
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#42
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Let's do that, but without the absurd homer shades on. The numbers are the players' position ranking according to ESPN. If ESPN doesn't have a player listed at the position he'll play at the school, the ranking from Rivals or Scout is substituted (for example, both Elam for UF and M. Dixon for UT are listed as athletes by ESPN; so their ranking for their real positions were taken from Rivals or Scout):

WRs

UT: #7 Ambles, #30 Meline, #33 Milton, (JC) Thompkins,

UF: #2 Dunkley, #12 Patton, #43 Dunbar, Dowling may play WR at UF, but he's the #1 S. Clark isn't a WR; he's a CB/K-P/R.

Slight advantage Florida.



DL

UT: #6 Corey Miller, #9 Brandon Willis, #19 Calvin Smith, #29 Jacques Smith, #32 Copeland, (JC) John Brown (former UF player that didn't see PT in a single game).

UF: #2 Powell, #5 Orr, #5 Easley, #6 Floyd, #19 Ball, #60 Trail

This one is an epic mismatch. Edge to Florida by a wide margin.

OL

UT: #7 James, #92 Pair, #91 Fulton

UF: #2 Silberman

Silberman almost makes this one equal all by himself. Slight edge to UT for sheer numbers.

DBs

UT: #3 A. Dixon, #79 M. Dixon

UF: #1 Dowling, #1 Elam, #2 Dorsey, #3 Shaw, #7 Riggs, #5 Watkins, #44 Haden.

Another complete mismatch. UF may have assembled one of the finest DB classes ever. Huge edge Florida.

LBs

UT: #12 Taylor, #84 Williams

UF: #23 Ajagbe

Advantage UT here... until Hicks announces anyway.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones Nobody is calling Jones a TE, so he has no ranking there. He's considered the #27 DE.

UF: #2 Christian, #12 McFarland,

Huge advantage for UF with 2 bona fide TE's, one of which is the second best in the nation according to ESPN AND Rivals... not to mention Powell, who caught a TD as a TE at the AA game.

FB/RB

UT: #40 Fugate

UF: #3 Brown, Van. Van has no ranking because he's a prep player, but is a 4* RB.

Huge edge to UF. We're not counting recruits from last year's class in an analysis for this class.

QB

UT: #6 Bray, JC Simms. no rating, but he's a 3* QB

UF: #18 Burton

Advantage UT, and boy do they need it.

STs

UT: #15 Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Not much to see here. One team got a kicker, and the other got several guys who can return punts and kicks.

All in all, UF's class is far and away the much stronger class. With 15 of their 24 commitments on the ESPN150 list, it's currently #1. UT's class, with 7 of 23 commitments on the ESPN150 list, is very good, but not really in the same league. So, saying UT's class has every bit as much talent really isn't even remotely accurate; and we also have room to add more players. And UF players will benefit from NFL coaching as well, since our new DC was the longest tenured coach on the Dolphins staff, and our QB coach and RB coach also have NFL experience.

I didn't bother reading the rest of this post after that sentence.
 
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Comparing recruiting classes is a nice exercise, but it doesn't take into consideration how well each team fills their needs. Also, the classes have a way to go. UF has four more spots to fill plus replacing any defections or non-qualifiers.

It would obviously be better to compare the entire depth chart of the two teams.

If you do, UF would lead at almost every position except PK (Palardy is tops) and RB (draw or slight lead to UT) and LB (even).

We've got the upper hand at QB, WR, OL, DL, CB, S and P.

LB is not a draw. Have you seen UF's LB depth chart?

SR Brandon Hicks, 4*, #8 OLB
SR-RS AJ Jones, 4*, #13 OLB
SR Lorenzo Edwards, 4*, #6 OLB
JR Lerentee McCray, 4*, #10 OLB
SO-RS Brandon Beal, 4*, #3 MLB
SO Jonathan Bostic, 4*, #4 MLB
SO Jelani Jenkins, 5*, #1 OLB

Players added that could play LB in 2010

Gideon Adjagbe, 3*, #34 OLB
Neiron Ball, 4*, #19 WDE
Matt Elam, 5*, #2 SAF

So, unless I'm missing something, how do UT and UF have equal depth charts at LB?

And what about RB?

UF has:

Jeff Demps, 4*, #7 RB
Chris Rainey, 4*, #4 RB
Emmanuel Moody, 4*, #9 RB
Mike Gilislee, 4*, #7 RB

and maybe

Mack Brown, 4*, #8 RB

So UF potentially has 5 RB's that were all ranked in the top 10 at their position in the year they were recruited. I think that is pretty equal to what UT has on the sideline.

And that doesn't include Travon Van that can play the position as well.
 
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So, how would you compare your WR, OL, LB and QB class to ours then? You guys have loaded almost of your talent in this year's class at DB and DL.

You guys are doing a tremendous job in those two areas, not so much at other positions. You also have 2 more commits than we do.

What do you mean? We have recruited the TE position extremely well. We also have a very talented group of WR's and we are in good position to add 1 other talented WR. The OL wasn't a concern of ours but Silberman is pretty darn talented and we are still in the Top-2 or 3 for Henderson. We Also did a darn good job of recruiting RB's with Brown and Van. Plus we have a great shot of Jordan Hicks at LB.

We just have a loaded class overall. CB, S, DE, and DT is clearly our strength in this class but we have great talent at other positions.
 
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meh i just looked at the contrast in impact at the All-Star games and the difference between the classes is starting you in the face.

I hate it when things are starting me in the face :p

Taylor won MVP (I think) at the UA game. Ambles looked impressive (minus that drop) yesterday and Dixon did a pretty good job of limiting Prater despite the fact that the coaches moved him from safety to cornerback for the game.

Florida's class is better than Tennessee's, but its not like Tennessee has a bunch of scrubs. Once they see the field next year, we will see how much those extra stars are really worth.
 
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Let's do that, but without the absurd homer shades on. The numbers are the players' position ranking according to ESPN. If ESPN doesn't have a player listed at the position he'll play at the school, the ranking from Rivals or Scout is substituted (for example, both Elam for UF and M. Dixon for UT are listed as athletes by ESPN; so their ranking for their real positions were taken from Rivals or Scout):

WRs

UT: #7 Ambles, #30 Meline, #33 Milton, (JC) Thompkins,

UF: #2 Dunkley, #12 Patton, #43 Dunbar, Dowling may play WR at UF, but he's the #1 S. Clark isn't a WR; he's a CB/K-P/R.

Slight advantage Florida.



DL

UT: #6 Corey Miller, #9 Brandon Willis, #19 Calvin Smith, #29 Jacques Smith, #32 Copeland, (JC) John Brown (former UF player that didn't see PT in a single game).

UF: #2 Powell, #5 Orr, #5 Easley, #6 Floyd, #19 Ball, #60 Trail

This one is an epic mismatch. Edge to Florida by a wide margin.

OL

UT: #7 James, #92 Pair, #91 Fulton

UF: #2 Silberman

Silberman almost makes this one equal all by himself. Slight edge to UT for sheer numbers.

DBs

UT: #3 A. Dixon, #79 M. Dixon

UF: #1 Dowling, #1 Elam, #2 Dorsey, #3 Shaw, #7 Riggs, #5 Watkins, #44 Haden.

Another complete mismatch. UF may have assembled one of the finest DB classes ever. Huge edge Florida.

LBs

UT: #12 Taylor, #84 Williams

UF: #23 Ajagbe

Advantage UT here... until Hicks announces anyway.

TE

UT: Delvin Jones Nobody is calling Jones a TE, so he has no ranking there. He's considered the #27 DE.

UF: #2 Christian, #12 McFarland,

Huge advantage for UF with 2 bona fide TE's, one of which is the second best in the nation according to ESPN AND Rivals... not to mention Powell, who caught a TD as a TE at the AA game.

FB/RB

UT: #40 Fugate

UF: #3 Brown, Van. Van has no ranking because he's a prep player, but is a 4* RB.

Huge edge to UF. We're not counting recruits from last year's class in an analysis for this class.

QB

UT: #6 Bray, JC Simms. no rating, but he's a 3* QB

UF: #18 Burton

Advantage UT, and boy do they need it.

STs

UT: #15 Palardy

UF: A host of guys who can return the ball.

Not much to see here. One team got a kicker, and the other got several guys who can return punts and kicks.

All in all, UF's class is far and away the much stronger class. With 15 of their 24 commitments on the ESPN150 list, it's currently #1. UT's class, with 7 of 23 commitments on the ESPN150 list, is very good, but not really in the same league. So, saying UT's class has every bit as much talent really isn't even remotely accurate; and we also have room to add more players. And UF players will benefit from NFL coaching as well, since our new DC was the longest tenured coach on the Dolphins staff, and our QB coach and RB coach also have NFL experience.


Why does it not surprise me that you used ESPN's trash rankings? I'll take our staff's evaluations of player talent over ESPN or your staff any day of the week.

There is no doubt that UF has more star power. However, there is no doubt that we have a much stronger class at OL, WR, QB and LB while having a DL class that is close behind UF's DL class. Coach O will make the difference in making sure our DL class ends up playing better.

You are also not taking into account that we have fewer players committed and are in it with quite a few more elite players.
 
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That was a position by position breakdown. I don't agree with TE, but other than that, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't agree with the final outcome.

My only grip is the disparity in talent that UF will be bringing in. Uf's RB/FB group is FAR better than what we have. Their secondary is FAR better than any group we're putting together, other than DL. Our 2 areas of stregnth are our WR's and our DL's. Their 2 areas of stregnth are their DB's and their DL's.

That said, I feel that either one of their stregnths, when compared beside ours, would obvisouly be a better collection of talent.

So, I agree and disagree.

Maybe in this class but I would take BB, Williams, Oku, and Poole over rainey, demps, and M. Brown
 
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I think you guys are underrating UF's current WR class. UF got two players in Patton and Dunkley that fit PERFECTLY into their system.

With currently committed players, UT's is higher ranked right now, but UF could add more players before the end of the year. The players to watch would be McCartney, Coxson, Prater, and Boone.
 
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Why does it not surprise me that you used ESPN's trash rankings? I'll take our staff's evaluations of player talent over ESPN or your staff any day of the week.

There is no doubt that UF has more star power. However, there is no doubt that we have a much stronger class at OL, WR, QB and LB while having a DL class that is close behind UF's DL class. Coach O will make the difference in making sure our DL class ends up playing better.

You are also not taking into account that we have fewer players committed and are in it with quite a few more elite players.[/QUOTE]

The difference between UT and UF right now is that UT is in on a bunch of elite players, but UF is actually landing a bunch of elite players.

That, and I don't think anyone should question Meyer's ability to coach and motivate his talent. I mean, the winningest senior class in SEC history just graduated.
 

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