Convince me that Martin isn't Buzz Peterson

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HendersonVol said:
Clearly I did not mean this literally.
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say what you mean and mean what you say...so you dont like him as coach?...who would you get if you were the ad?? be realistic...its got to be someone who would come in despite the ncaa mess....who would want to stick around not jump at the next dream job...and who would know that regardless of everything else one half of the message posters would think they could have done better if they were the ad...which they are never going to be..and they are never going to be a big enough financial contributor to have any say so..all they do is run down someone elses job preformance
 
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HendersonVol said:
I have nothing against Cuonzo, but have this feeling. He seems like an incredibly likable guy who had a short run of success at a smaller school.
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Hmmmm where have we seen this before?

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DynamiteMcGhee said:
Hmmmm where have we seen this before?

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Bruce wasn't liked by his peers. He was a PR machine. He was also extremely more successful at the lower levels. He clearly had more time to get it done, but had proven himself several times.
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HendersonVol said:
I'm starting to believe the key to success in March is to recruit 3 point shooters who will play defense, find one NBA player, and let them go.
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That really seems to be what got UK (of course, they do have some NBA guys?), VCU and UConn (probably the 1 NBA guys, you mentioned) to the Final Four. Butler seems to have gotten there with defense and divine intervention (just kidding about that).

Hope Coach Martin can put his stamp on this program keep it going but if Hopson and Harris leave it does seem that there will be a temporary dip.

Good thread.
 
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easleychuck said:
That really seems to be what got UK (of course, they do have some NBA guys?), VCU and UConn (probably the 1 NBA guys, you mentioned) to the Final Four. Butler seems to have gotten there with defense and divine intervention (just kidding about that).

Hope Coach Martin can put his stamp on this program keep it going but if Hopson and Harris leave it does seem that there will be a temporary dip.

Good thread.
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UK is obviously very talented, but you can argue that they were more talented last year. The difference this year is that they can shoot the 3.
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HendersonVol said:
UK is obviously very talented, but you can argue that they were more talented last year. The difference this year is that they can shoot the 3.
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Actually, they shot the 2 so well last year that their overall shooting percentage was better.

The real difference in their offense, IMO, is they don't turn the ball over this year.
 
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Oldblood said:
The argument on Cuonzo as a coach will not be settled via posts on a message board, newspaper articles, or any stats you want to throw out there. He is not a proven commodity. Whether he was a good hire or bad hire will be determined by the results on the court.
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LOGIC!!! GET OUT OF HERE!!! :popcorn:
 
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StepCross said:
Actually, they shot the 2 so well last year that their overall shooting percentage was better.

The real difference in their offense, IMO, is they don't turn the ball over this year.
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I still think that their team last year was considerably better, the field this year however was much weaker and their loss to West Virginia came off like a 29% shooting night or something.
 
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Oldblood said:
The argument on Cuonzo as a coach will not be settled via posts on a message board, newspaper articles, or any stats you want to throw out there. He is not a proven commodity. Whether he was a good hire or bad hire will be determined by the results on the court.
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Clearly his fate is yet to be determined. Are we just supposed to sit back and watch and wait? This board would be pretty boring if so.

I will give him a fair shot. Ive criticized others for not giving Bruce a fair shot in the past. It's ok to realize and discuss the possibility that he fails here.
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StepCross said:
Actually, they shot the 2 so well last year that their overall shooting percentage was better.

The real difference in their offense, IMO, is they don't turn the ball over this year.
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Agree, but their 3 ball killed NC. Without it against the Tar Heels, UK could be sitting on the couch enjoying some Tom's snacks as Packman is so fond of saying.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I still think that their team last year was considerably better, the field this year however was much weaker and their loss to West Virginia came off like a 29% shooting night or something.
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Thats my point. They are consistent from 3 this year. Last year they were prone to those nights. The 3 ball equalizes everything. When jujuan and Chris were shooting for us, we had a lot more margin of error.
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Noone can convince you either way? We wouldn't have any kind of assurance regardless of who was hired. It's the UT admin's job to convince you. That being said, I feel confident he isn't Buzz.
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OrangeInKy said:
Noone can convince you either way? We wouldn't have any kind of assurance regardless of who was hired. It's the UT admin's job to convince you. That being said, I feel confident he isn't Buzz.
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Why do you feel confident?
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#45
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HendersonVol said:
Why do you feel confident?
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Just feel he has gotten where he is differently. Buzz seemed to rely a lot on UNC connections. Also, Martins HC exp impresses me more. Buzz's exp as HC was mostly lower level Appy State and 1 year at Tulsa. Tulsa went from Elite 8 to NIT champs. Not saying I am right, I just feel more confident in Martin. I also don't think Buzz was total failure. Not great coach but he spotted some talent noone else wanted that was foundation for UT run 2005-2007. I was really wanting Marshall but I like Martin and am confident in him. I have seen enough coaching hires at UT and other schools to know that sure things are extremely rare, outsideof the Pitino's, Cal's, etc
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OrangeInKy said:
Just feel he has gotten where he is differently. Buzz seemed to rely a lot on UNC connections. Also, Martins HC exp impresses me more. Buzz's exp as HC was mostly lower level Appy State and 1 year at Tulsa. Tulsa went from Elite 8 to NIT champs. Not saying I am right, I just feel more confident in Martin. I also don't think Buzz was total failure. Not great coach but he spotted some talent noone else wanted that was foundation for UT run 2005-2007. I was really wanting Marshall but I like Martin and am confident in him. I have seen enough coaching hires at UT and other schools to know that sure things are extremely rare, outsideof the Pitino's, Cal's, etc
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Fair enough. This is the discussion I wanted to start.
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#47
1. Martin never inherited a team that made the Elite 8 and finished in the NIT.
2. Doug Dickey didn't hire Martin
3. Grunfeld thinks Martin is a good hire.
4. Peterson has won more than 23 games in 2 of 13 years. Martin has won more than 23 games in 2 of 3 years.
5. Martin took a team from 3-15 to 15-3 in two years.
 
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tvolsfan said:
1. Martin never inherited a team that made the Elite 8 and finished in the NIT.
2. Doug Dickey didn't hire Martin
3. Grunfeld thinks Martin is a good hire.
4. Peterson has won more than 23 games in 2 of 13 years. Martin has won more than 23 games in 2 of 3 years.
5. Martin took a team from 3-15 to 15-3 in two years.
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2, 3, and 4 don't tell me anything.

On 4, Peterson won at least 21 games in 3 of his first 4 years.
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