Countdown to Northam Resignation

[SpaceCoastVol]

Yea I started to put that in parentheses.

I still had to give mick a like anyway.

 

[C-south]

I still had to give mick a like anyway.

I will too. One of the best movies ever.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

You told us several times that Dem politicians "do the right thing". Here are 3 examples of Dem politicians not resigning. The sin of two of them (blackface) has resulted in one politician resigning....a Republican.

Interesting too that the only one action is being taken against is the black guy.

 

[Velo Vol]

Outlook for VA: continued dumbness

(WaPo)

 

[NorthDallas40]

All American, college grad, war hero’s, ping pong champ, shrimpin boat captain, entrepreneur, gazillionaire,........not bad in my book.

Played for Bama. Instant disqualifier.

 

[evillawyer]

None of those Dems have declare him guilty prior to any investigation. Such an odd change of standard given the corroborating evidence in the Fairfax situation and the complete lack of such in the K one. K was determined to be guilty prior to any investigation (guilty and evil).

Kavanaugh was not scared of a full investigation. He repeatedly said he's fine with whatever the JC decided to do vis a vis an investigation. It's not his job to call for the investigation into himself.

It's a clear double standard.

Dems in VA want both gone, but have no real power to make it happen short of impeachment and Northam hasn't done anything impeachable. Fairfax is calling for a full investigation. Jump to Kavanaugh. Republicans were in FULL control over whether to reopen hearings and do a full investigation. Kavanaugh, when asked simply what he WANTED, would not say he wanted a full investigation (just repeatedly saying I'll go with whatever these GOP cheerleaders want, knowing full well that they weren't going to call for an investigation). The GOP was in FULL control over whether he would be appointed. Dems have effectively no control over whether Northam and Fairfax resign. That is a far cry from a double standard

 

[Weezer]

What will an investigation possibly find? Any physical evidence is long since destroyed. Cases like this boil down to he said/she said. I understand the psychology of why so many women don't report sexual assault when it happens, but when you wait years then step forward, what do they honestly expect to happen? Prosecution is hindered by lack of evidence. Simply taking their word that it happened predetermines guilt rather than a presumption of innocence. How do you possibly separate truth and false allegations?

I will say, the one thing about Fairfax's case that caught my attention is the initial accuser is another Democrat. That seems to indicate this is not a Republican vs Democrat hit job. That doesn't mean Fairfax is guilty, but if I were a Dem, I'd take not of that.

 

[Weezer]

I knew Northam wouldn’t resign. Dems care only about 1 thing - maintaining power by any means necessary

To be fair, that is a quality BOTH parties have demonstrated. It is not singular to Democrats. The nature of politics lends itself to corruption, and both sides have embraced it.

 

[evillawyer]

What will an investigation possibly find? Any physical evidence is long since destroyed. Cases like this boil down to he said/she said. I understand the psychology of why so many women don't report sexual assault when it happens, but when you wait years then step forward, what do they honestly expect to happen? Prosecution is hindered by lack of evidence. Simply taking their word that it happened predetermines guilt rather than a presumption of innocence. How do you possibly separate truth and false allegations?

I will say, the one thing about Fairfax's case that caught my attention is the initial accuser is another Democrat. That seems to indicate this is not a Republican vs Democrat hit job. That doesn't mean Fairfax is guilty, but if I were a Dem, I'd take not of that.

There's plenty that can be uncovered. For example, did the two know each other? Have a relationship? Did the accuser tell the story to others? If so, when? Has her story changed at all? Anything in their history that bears on their truthfulness, etc. I wouldn't foresee this as a criminal investigation and trial subject to the rules of evidence. More akin to what a law firm would do if retained for an internal investigation (think of the Wells report on deflategate).

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Dems in VA want both gone, but have no real power to make it happen short of impeachment and Northam hasn't done anything impeachable. Fairfax is calling for a full investigation. Jump to Kavanaugh. Republicans were in FULL control over whether to reopen hearings and do a full investigation. Kavanaugh, when asked simply what he WANTED, would not say he wanted a full investigation (just repeatedly saying I'll go with whatever these GOP cheerleaders want, knowing full well that they weren't going to call for an investigation). The GOP was in FULL control over whether he would be appointed. Dems have effectively no control over whether Northam and Fairfax resign. That is a far cry from a double standard

We don't care about their stance. What is yours? Do you want him to resign?

 

[volinbham]

Dems in VA want both gone, but have no real power to make it happen short of impeachment and Northam hasn't done anything impeachable. Fairfax is calling for a full investigation. Jump to Kavanaugh. Republicans were in FULL control over whether to reopen hearings and do a full investigation. Kavanaugh, when asked simply what he WANTED, would not say he wanted a full investigation (just repeatedly saying I'll go with whatever these GOP cheerleaders want, knowing full well that they weren't going to call for an investigation). The GOP was in FULL control over whether he would be appointed. Dems have effectively no control over whether Northam and Fairfax resign. That is a far cry from a double standard

the double standard is clear - the same Dems who declared K guilty and said the women are to be believed and he is not are saying that Fairfax deserves due process but should resign anyway. They are not saying he's guilty as they did in the case of K.

As for you claims that Dem politicians do the right thing; none of these 3 are "doing the right thing" when that means giving up their position. OTOH, when a Rep politician was found to have done what 2 of the 3 Dems have done, he resigned. Interesting.

 

[Weezer]

Something I'm curious about, is white-face wrong as well? When the Wayans did that movie "White Chicks", was that wrong? When Eddie Murphy was made up as an elderly, white Jewish man, was that wrong? Was it racist/bigoted? Or is this all a one way street?

 

[evillawyer]

We don't care about their stance. What is yours? Do you want him to resign?

I've said from day one I believe Northam should resign, based on the precedent that had been set (different question whether I agree with that precedent). Fairfax is willing to open himself up to an investigation. If that substantiates the women's claims, then he should resign or be impeached.

 

[1972 Grad]

Something I'm curious about, is white-face wrong as well? When the Wayans did that movie "White Chicks", was that wrong? When Eddie Murphy was made up as an elderly, white Jewish man, was that wrong? Was it racist/bigoted? Or is this all a one way street?

Always and in all ways, a one way street.

 

[Weezer]

There's plenty that can be uncovered. For example, did the two know each other? Have a relationship? Did the accuser tell the story to others? If so, when? Has her story changed at all? Anything in their history that bears on their truthfulness, etc. I wouldn't foresee this as a criminal investigation and trial subject to the rules of evidence. More akin to what a law firm would do if retained for an internal investigation (think of the Wells report on deflategate).

He's already admitted to knowing her and admitted they had sexual relations. He says consensual, she says rape. Beyond that, when you begin talking to others about what was said, how do you determine credibility and truthfulness? JMO, but I don't see what an investigation years after the fact accomplishes.

 

[evillawyer]

He's already admitted to knowing her and admitted they had sexual relations. He says consensual, she says rape. Beyond that, when you begin talking to others about what was said, how do you determine credibility and truthfulness? JMO, but I don't see what an investigation years after the fact accomplishes.

Has he said he had sex with the Duke accuser? I know he admitted the deed with the forced BJ accuser, but says it was consensual.

 

[Weezer]

Outlook for VA: continued dumbness

(WaPo)

I find the whole "white privilege" thing has been overplayed to the point it is in and of itself bigotry. Historically, I do know that white people have had an easier time in this country, but, IMO, it does not play as big a part in today's society as some suppose. Instead, it is a tool to promote further division. Too much focus has been put on continuing the racial divide rather than promoting racial unity.

 

[evillawyer]

the double standard is clear - the same Dems who declared K guilty and said the women are to be believed and he is not are saying that Fairfax deserves due process but should resign anyway. They are not saying he's guilty as they did in the case of K.

As for you claims that Dem politicians do the right thing; none of these 3 are "doing the right thing" when that means giving up their position. OTOH, when a Rep politician was found to have done what 2 of the 3 Dems have done, he resigned. Interesting.

Booker and Harris have both said he should resign. Ditto with Bernie and Kaine. Who in particular is taking a different position on Fairfax than Kavanaugh.

 

[Weezer]

Has he said he had sex with the Duke accuser? I know he admitted the deed with the forced BJ accuser, but says it was consensual.

I'm talking about the initial accuser. I haven't looked too much into the Duke accuser.

 

[evillawyer]

I'm talking about the initial accuser. I haven't looked too much into the Duke accuser.

Yeah, I don't think he's addressed the second accuser yet. The second account doesn't seem to have much ambiguity in it. Sounds like straight up rape.

 

[volinbham]

Booker and Harris have both said he should resign. Ditto with Bernie and Kaine. Who in particular is taking a different position on Fairfax than Kavanaugh.

Get back to me when they say he's guilty of what he's being accused of as they did in the case of K.

I believe it was Booker who called K "evil" for his actions (based on alleged victim's claims alone).

 

[Velo Vol]

Interesting.

What's interesting is how few Republicans (national and here) are willing to clearly state what that they believe is right and wrong anymore. About anything (other than abortion).

 

[volinbham]

What's interesting is how few Republicans (national and here) are willing to clearly state what that they believe is right and wrong anymore. About anything (other than abortion).

examples?

 

[37L1]

What's interesting is how few Republicans (national and here) are willing to clearly state what that they believe is right and wrong anymore. About anything (other than abortion).

BS.

We're right and you're wrong.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Has he said he had sex with the Duke accuser? I know he admitted the deed with the forced BJ accuser, but says it was consensual.

Outside of having a gun or knife on a victim, how could a BJ be anything but consensual?