Country music thread

#577
#577
justingroves said:
I like Charlie Robison but he'll never be commercially successful in Nashville.

He pissed off a lot of people in his short stay here
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I think he quickly realized he'd rather just make a decent living kicking around TX with his friends than trying to become a huge star in Nashville. For that scene, if you are even moderately successful, you never even need to leave the state if you didn't want to. Plus, for a while there, he was married to a nice little meal ticket.

Last time I really ever even heard about him was he did a good version of Wild Man of Borneo on a Kinky Friedman tribute album a while back.
 
#578
#578
NochNoch said:
I think he quickly realized he'd rather just make a decent living kicking around TX with his friends than trying to become a huge star in Nashville. For that scene, if you are even moderately successful, you never even need to leave the state if you didn't want to. Plus, for a while there, he was married to a nice little meal ticket.

Last time I really ever even heard about him was he did a good version of Wild Man of Borneo on a Kinky Friedman tribute album a while back.
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He trashed everyone in Nashville and called Alan Jackson out in a radio interview. He burnt a lot of bridges and went back home.
 
#585
#585
Anyone else tired of arguments about what is and isn't country music? Judging by this thread, maybe not. The categories just seem a bit superficial and arbitrary. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer Townes Van Zandt or Robert Earl Keen to most of the stuff on the radio, but I just don't get all the hate.
 
#586
#586
hallowed_hill said:
Anyone else tired of arguments about what is and isn't country music? Judging by this thread, maybe not. The categories just seem a bit superficial and arbitrary. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer Townes Van Zandt or Robert Earl Keen to most of the stuff on the radio, but I just don't get all the hate.
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#587
#587
hallowed_hill said:
Anyone else tired of arguments about what is and isn't country music? Judging by this thread, maybe not. The categories just seem a bit superficial and arbitrary. Don't get me wrong, I much prefer Townes Van Zandt or Robert Earl Keen to most of the stuff on the radio, but I just don't get all the hate.
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It's a big deal. They told me so.
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#590
#590
Vol_4_Life said:
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OK, well I'm not necessarily tired of the discussion, just bored with "arguments" like this:


Vol_4_Life said:
Country music: George Strait, Jamey Johnson, Travis Tritt, Tracey Lawrence, John Michael Montgomery, Hank Jr., Randy Travis

NOT Country music: Tim McGraw, Kenny Chesney, Taylor Swift, Brad Paisley, and 90% of the other people on Country radio
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I generally agree with your preferences, but this is a moronic overgeneralization. I may not be a huge fan of those artists, but they're most assuredly country. What's your definition, your standard? Some on here have pointed to Hank. If that's the case, then there are few "country" singers, even by your standards. Hank Jr.'s music, after all, is self-consciously progressive ('his kind of music and mine ain't exactly the same').

Another problem i have with these arguments is the inconsistency across generations. Many on here have said that country hasn't been good since the 80's or 90's or before Charlie Daniels started singing gospel or whenever. But the heat put on contemporary pop-oriented country artists could just as easily be applied to past artists such as Alabama or Conway Twitty. A lot of their stuff is cheesy, pop, crossover country at its finest, but we give them a pass as we look through our nostalgic lenses at former country legends. Maybe you agree. Maybe not. I just don't see many people dragging them into this.

In reality, the country genre is pretty fluid and always has been. There's room for Twitty and Haggard, Rogers and Coe; I'll even make room for boy bands and rapping "cowboys" in hoop ear rings. Some of it may suck--it always has. But at least bring some substance to the table when you enlighten us as to what is country and what is not.
 
#591
#591
volfanbill said:
and you never even tried to support your argument. So it's not that it's really a big deal, it just is what it is.
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You didn't want to discuss, you wanted to argue. I didn't think it was worth it, especially when you started putting words in my mouth. No big deal.
 
#592
#592
vollygirl said:
You didn't want to discuss, you wanted to argue. I didn't think it was worth it, especially when you started putting words in my mouth. No big deal.
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i never once put words in your mouth. I simply summarized your posts. Reading is your friend...
 
#593
#593
hallowed_hill said:
OK, well I'm not necessarily tired of the discussion, just bored with "arguments" like this:





I generally agree with your preferences, but this is a moronic overgeneralization. I may not be a huge fan of those artists, but they're most assuredly country. What's your definition, your standard? Some on here have pointed to Hank. If that's the case, then there are few "country" singers, even by your standards. Hank Jr.'s music, after all, is self-consciously progressive ('his kind of music and mine ain't exactly the same').

Another problem i have with these arguments is the inconsistency across generations. Many on here have said that country hasn't been good since the 80's or 90's or before Charlie Daniels started singing gospel or whenever. But the heat put on contemporary pop-oriented country artists could just as easily be applied to past artists such as Alabama or Conway Twitty. A lot of their stuff is cheesy, pop, crossover country at its finest, but we give them a pass as we look through our nostalgic lenses at former country legends. Maybe you agree. Maybe not. I just don't see many people dragging them into this.

In reality, the country genre is pretty fluid and always has been. There's room for Twitty and Haggard, Rogers and Coe; I'll even make room for boy bands and rapping "cowboys" in hoop ear rings. Some of it may suck--it always has. But at least bring some substance to the table when you enlighten us as to what is country and what is not.
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I have no certain standard for what constitutes Country music. I know Country music when I hear it and I know Trashville Pop when I hear it.

Kenny Chesney has some good songs. Brad Paisley was good in his early years, but now his music is typical Trashville litter. Taylor Swift's music is altogether unbearable to me.

Country music has substance. It isn't a a bunch of cliches and stupid lyrics set to music, which is all Trashville Pop is.

And, for the record, I'm not trying to "enlighten" anybody. I'm here to discuss Country music. If you want to talk about Trashville Pop, feel free to start a thread about it. I'm sure all the naive fans of that brand of music will join you.
 
#594
#594
Vol_4_Life said:
I have no certain standard for what constitutes Country music. I know Country music when I hear it and I know Trashville Pop when I hear it.

Kenny Chesney has some good songs. Brad Paisley was good in his early years, but now his music is typical Trashville litter. Taylor Swift's music is altogether unbearable to me.

Country music has substance. It isn't a a bunch of cliches and stupid lyrics set to music, which is all Trashville Pop is.

And, for the record, I'm not trying to "enlighten" anybody. I'm here to discuss Country music. If you want to talk about Trashville Pop, feel free to start a thread about it. I'm sure all the naive fans of that brand of music will join you.
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Much better, in my opinion. I'm no Nashville apologist, just bustin' on you because i'd rather talk in specifics than generalities. Pat Green would've been so much better if he really "gave up on Nashville a long time ago." His pre-Nashville stuff was country gold.

I've acknowledged that I generally agree with your preferences if not your definition of country, just think Nashville is a mixed bag. I'm a big fan of Church, Johnson, ZBB, and a few others, but even Jamey Johnson co-wrote probably the worst country song in years. Many have grown tired of Chesney's act, but I will say his rendition of Deana Carter's "You and Tequila" is brilliant.

Anyone else have opinions on the older acts? My buddies are horrified when I throw Twitty in with contemporary country acts, but people are just mistaken when they think this is a new phenomenon. Didn't Waylon say as much almost 40 years ago?
 
#595
#595
hallowed_hill said:
Much better, in my opinion. I'm no Nashville apologist, just bustin' on you because i'd rather talk in specifics than generalities. Pat Green would've been so much better if he really "gave up on Nashville a long time ago." His pre-Nashville stuff was country gold.

I've acknowledged that I generally agree with your preferences if not your definition of country, just think Nashville is a mixed bag. I'm a big fan of Church, Johnson, ZBB, and a few others, but even Jamey Johnson co-wrote probably the worst country song in years. Many have grown tired of Chesney's act, but I will say his rendition of Deana Carter's "You and Tequila" is brilliant.

Anyone else have opinions on the older acts? My buddies are horrified when I throw Twitty in with contemporary country acts, but people are just mistaken when they think this is a new phenomenon. Didn't Waylon say as much almost 40 years ago?
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Agreed, and I would be willing to bet he regrets having any part in that song. His "The Guitar Song" album is the best Country album I've heard in some time.
 
#596
#596
Bradley Gaskin is a new guy that seems to have a more traditional country sound. Looking forward to see what else he comes out with.
 
#597
#597
hallowed_hill said:
Anyone else have opinions on the older acts? My buddies are horrified when I throw Twitty in with contemporary country acts, but people are just mistaken when they think this is a new phenomenon. Didn't Waylon say as much almost 40 years ago?
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Twitty was cheesing it up before it was the cool thing to do.
 
#598
#598
If anyone's interested in hearing some great country music, come see my good buddy Kevin Carter this Friday night (July 8) at Lincoln's in Oak Ridge. He's phenomenal. No cover and the show should start about 8:30. The other night at Blue Springs Marina he sang Jamey Johnson, Church, Skynyrd, Waylon, Strait, Willie, and Doug Stone just to name a few. Will be a crazy good time.
 
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