Court Orders Dissolution of Trump Org

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lawgator1 said:
Trump at lunch said the judge should be disbarred and possibly criminally charged.

And then when the statute of limitations came up Trump celebrates that same judge.
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Trump was not celebrating the judge but Trump pointed out the judge conceded he is wrong.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lol. The corrupt, disbarred, to be criminally charged judge was right? And Trump was ok with THAT part, right?
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The judge admitted he was wrong in trying to include cases that past the limitation. Again, the has been no proof that Trump committed a crime or there was in victims of deals Trump made with banks. This is all fabricated by a corrupt judge. There are many big time liberal developers in NY, why aren't they being charged with inflating value of property? (27:02 of the Tucker Carlson videio I posted earlier)
 
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jmacvols1 said:
As pointed out already, there is no valid case for there is no fraud, no victims of any fraud perpetrated by Trump. Legal deals were made, loans paid back.....banks happy, Trump happy but corrupt Dem judge unhappy.
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Normally yes...in NY thier laws are set so there technically doesn't have to be a victim of the fraud... its written as such.
 
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Given how well Trump has managed the extreme wealth he inherited, he'd probably be better off with a court managing the assets....
 
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jmacvols1 said:
The judge admitted he was wrong in trying to include cases that past the limitation. Again, the has been no proof that Trump committed a crime or there was in victims of deals Trump made with banks. This is all fabricated by a corrupt judge. There are many big time liberal developers in NY, why aren't they being charged with inflating value of property? (27:02 of the Tucker Carlson videio I posted earlier)
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So the judge is picking and choosing the areas of his corruption and fabrications?

You have no idea how ridiculous that sounds, do you?

He may be biased, I have no idea - but the logic in him not going full send isn't there. Why would he wave off in some areas and not others?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Normally yes...in NY thier laws are set so there technically doesn't have to be a victim of the fraud... its written as such.
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But there was no fraud that took place, hence no victims of fraud. The banks made loans to Trump based on the bank's own estimation (not the judge's personal estimation) of the value of collateral and the bank got paid the loan back with interest. No crime, no fraud...nothing. Is the judge going to go through all the loans of left wing developers in NY to make sure they never overvalued property based on the judges's on personal estimation of what he thinks property should be valued at??

If you want to see what real bank fraud is about then look up the bank fraud committed by Jane Sanders, Bernie Sanders wife, and the loan she secured for the university that she was President of and how the loan went bad and the university shut down under great debt. Bernie used his position as Senator to pressure the bank to make the loan.

www.burlingtonfreepress.com

The unraveling of Jane Sanders' Burlington College legacy

Jane O'Meara Sanders, wife of Sen. Bernie Sanders, led Burlington College through a time of ambitious expansion.
www.burlingtonfreepress.com
 
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jmacvols1 said:
But there was no fraud that took place, hence no victims of fraud. The banks made loans to Trump based on the bank's own estimation (not the judge's personal estimation) of the value of collateral and the bank got paid the loan back with interest. No crime, no fraud...nothing. Is the judge going to go through all the loans of left wing developers in NY to make sure they never overvalued property based on the judges's on personal estimation of what he thinks property should be valued at??

If you want to see what real bank fraud is about then look up the bank fraud committed by Jane Sanders, Bernie Sanders wife, and the loan she secured for the university that she was President of and how the loan went bad and the university shut down under great debt. Bernie used his position as Senator to pressure the bank to make the loan.

www.burlingtonfreepress.com

The unraveling of Jane Sanders' Burlington College legacy

Jane O'Meara Sanders, wife of Sen. Bernie Sanders, led Burlington College through a time of ambitious expansion.
www.burlingtonfreepress.com
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Ummm, it's not the judge's estimation. It's the estimation of the independent appraisers that Trump hired, ignored their values, and marked up 300-500%.

Read the ruling.....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Ummm, it's not the judge's estimation. It's the estimation of the independent appraisers that Trump hired, ignored their values, and marked up 300-500%.

Read the ruling.....
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nypost.com

Judge at Trump civil fraud trial implores media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18M

A judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate in a $250 million civil fraud case implored the media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18 million.
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"The Manhattan judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate at his civil fraud trial Monday stood by the $18 million valuation of the former president’s sprawling Mar-a-Lago estate — despite real estate experts blasting the estimate as “utterly delusional.”"

You call them "independent" appraisers when they sound like paid-off left wing, Trump hating appraisers.

The Post articles goes on to say:
"Justice Arthur Engoron again rejected Trump’s claims that Mar-a-Lago is worth $1 billion in favor of the much lower valuation issued by local Florida officials.

However, Engoron implored the media to stop reporting that he’d been the one to value the golf club and resort at $18 million — the low end of a determination made by the Palm Beach assessor that has left many real estate industry insiders perplexed.

One prominent Palm Beach real estate broker labeled the valuation “utterly delusional” to The Post."
“These banks made money. They were not defrauded,” Habba (Trump's attorney) told the court. “That is not fraud. That is real estate.”
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I did a quick search, it appears Dorothy Jacks, the property assessor of Palm Beach county, is a Democrat:

www.pbcdemocraticparty.org

Elected Officials

Federal State County U.S. EXECUTIVE BRANCH PRESIDENTJoseph Biden (D)
www.pbcdemocraticparty.org www.pbcdemocraticparty.org
 
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If this sham is a civil lawsuit, can someone tell me who is suing? Who is the victim and when do they testify?
 
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AirVol said:
If this sham is a civil lawsuit, can someone tell me who is suing? Who is the victim and when do they testify?
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Good questions...evidently a Trump hating judge is suing Trump and there are no victims of fraud...banks made the loans knowing the value of the collateral and got their money back with interest.

I think the judge is going to rule in this case and not allow a jury, but I have to go back and double chrck that.
 
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AirVol said:
If this sham is a civil lawsuit, can someone tell me who is suing? Who is the victim and when do they testify?
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Why not just link us the GOP talking points?

These same issues have been litigated and lost. Sorry to tell you. He's liable. Just a question of how much.
 
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jmacvols1 said:
nypost.com

Judge at Trump civil fraud trial implores media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18M

A judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate in a $250 million civil fraud case implored the media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18 million.
nypost.com nypost.com

"The Manhattan judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate at his civil fraud trial Monday stood by the $18 million valuation of the former president’s sprawling Mar-a-Lago estate — despite real estate experts blasting the estimate as “utterly delusional.”"

You call them "independent" appraisers when they sound like paid-off left wing, Trump hating appraisers.

The Post articles goes on to say:
"Justice Arthur Engoron again rejected Trump’s claims that Mar-a-Lago is worth $1 billion in favor of the much lower valuation issued by local Florida officials.

However, Engoron implored the media to stop reporting that he’d been the one to value the golf club and resort at $18 million — the low end of a determination made by the Palm Beach assessor that has left many real estate industry insiders perplexed.

One prominent Palm Beach real estate broker labeled the valuation “utterly delusional” to The Post."
“These banks made money. They were not defrauded,” Habba (Trump's attorney) told the court. “That is not fraud. That is real estate.”
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You (or whoever thinks for you) have a reading comprehension issue. I said independent appraisers that Trump hired, which is clearly not a government appraiser. Read the ruling. Trump hired and commissioned numerous appraisers on his property (i.e. independent ones) and he marked their values up 500%

I agree with you about MarALago. A Property tax valuation and independent appraisal valustion are apples to oranges....
 
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I'm about to fill put FAFSA. Is it OK for me to lie about my net worth to get better terms? Is it OK to lie even I pay all the loans off?
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
You (or whoever thinks for you) have a reading comprehension issue. I said independent appraisers that Trump hired, which is clearly not a government appraiser. Read the ruling. Trump hired and commissioned numerous appraisers on his property (i.e. independent ones) and he marked their values up 500%

I agree with you about MarALago. A Property tax valuation and independent appraisal valustion are apples to oranges....
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I am going by what the article from the Post says:

Justice Arthur Engoron again rejected Trump’s claims that Mar-a-Lago is worth $1 billion in favor of the much lower valuation issued by local Florida officials.

However, Engoron implored the media to stop reporting that he’d been the one to value the golf club and resort at $18 million — the low end of a determination made by the Palm Beach assessor that has left many real estate industry insiders perplexed.

In his decision, Engoron — who is deciding the trial rather than a jury — cited a local Palm Beach County official saying the country club had been assessed at a range of between $18 million and $27 million between 2011 and 2021.

In the same decision, Engoron rejected Trump’s expert’s valuation that the Florida estate was worth $1.5 billion, finding the expert’s opinion “unexplained and unsubstantiated ‘dream[s.]'”

The judge is citing the valuation given by "local Florida officials" (gov't officials) having rejected Trump's expert's valuation
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I'm about to fill put FAFSA. Is it OK for me to lie about my net worth to get better terms? Is it OK to lie even I pay all the loans off?
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Bernie's wife Jane Sanders lied to the bank and got away with it, so why can't you?


Do you think the bank made its own valuation/appraisal of the collateral before making the loan?
 
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jmacvols1 said:
nypost.com

Judge at Trump civil fraud trial implores media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18M

A judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate in a $250 million civil fraud case implored the media to stop saying he valued Mar-a-Lago at $18 million.
nypost.com nypost.com

"The Manhattan judge deciding Donald Trump’s fate at his civil fraud trial Monday stood by the $18 million valuation of the former president’s sprawling Mar-a-Lago estate — despite real estate experts blasting the estimate as “utterly delusional.”"

You call them "independent" appraisers when they sound like paid-off left wing, Trump hating appraisers.

The Post articles goes on to say:
"Justice Arthur Engoron again rejected Trump’s claims that Mar-a-Lago is worth $1 billion in favor of the much lower valuation issued by local Florida officials.

However, Engoron implored the media to stop reporting that he’d been the one to value the golf club and resort at $18 million — the low end of a determination made by the Palm Beach assessor that has left many real estate industry insiders perplexed.

One prominent Palm Beach real estate broker labeled the valuation “utterly delusional” to The Post."
“These banks made money. They were not defrauded,” Habba (Trump's attorney) told the court. “That is not fraud. That is real estate.”
Edit:

I did a quick search, it appears Dorothy Jacks, the property assessor of Palm Beach county, is a Democrat:

www.pbcdemocraticparty.org

Elected Officials

Federal State County U.S. EXECUTIVE BRANCH PRESIDENTJoseph Biden (D)
www.pbcdemocraticparty.org www.pbcdemocraticparty.org
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Perhaps the $18m is the assessed value.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I'm about to fill put FAFSA. Is it OK for me to lie about my net worth to get better terms? Is it OK to lie even I pay all the loans off?
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It’s ok for you put the value you think it’s worth, and then it’s up to the lender to assess that value and determine if they think it’s fair before lending.
 
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