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Lol. You seem to have the palm beach private club valuation market all figured out. By the way, did Mar a Lago gross 37m or net $37m? You just went from comparing residential condo units to historic commercial properties. Bravo.

Between you and Hogg, y'all could have saved Donny a fortune in legal fees.

If you don’t like my comparables (as I said, historic and commercial normally means it’s worth more not less), what comparables do you have?

ABC used the term earnings. Let’s assume that’s not profit. Let’s even assume his expenses are really hire and he’s only bringing in 50% of that as profit. Surely you realize valuing a property equal to its annual profit is insane right and in reality it would be worth 8-20x that amount

 
This is communist BS, and if they can pull this crap against a former president, you better believe they will do it to everyone else that stands in their way.

Is Donny the first person to be found liable of bank or insurance fraud?
 
Yes I know what he did and it’s still up to the lender to assess value on collateral.

Plus there are different types of valuations for commercial properties. I’m not 100% on the exact terms but there is economic value, how much the property is worth if sold plus income potential. And there is straight up what the dirt and structure is worth.
Dirt , mineral , water quality on the land , literally every single possible income / taxable potential. It’s not a question of did Trump over evaluate, it’s done all the time the bank(s) will either say ok let’s do this or laugh at what you told them your stuff is worth and say no way in hell are we giving you that based on these estimates. How many from the bank was fired for making this deal without doing any actual work , does anyone know?
 
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Find a similar case anywhere and I may agree with. Otherwise this looks a lot like a witch hunt
These are appraisal companies hired for appraisals. Obviously they should be held accountable for false appraisals.

How is that the same?
So, to be clear, you believe a cause of action brought by the state of New York, under the exact same statute, alleging that knowingly lying about the value of collateral for a loan is a fraudulent business practice is not “similar” to Trump’s case because the lender requested the inflated valuation from the third party plaintiff rather than simply being lied to by Trump about the lender’s prospects of being made whole in the event of default?

To the extent those are not “similar,” you’re saying that enabling the lender to knowingly take on more risk is worse than lying to the lender about how much risk they’re taking on?
 
So, to be clear, you believe a cause of action brought by the state of New York, under the exact same statute, alleging that knowingly lying about the value of collateral for a loan is a fraudulent business practice is not “similar” to Trump’s case because the lender requested the inflated valuation from the third party plaintiff rather than simply being lied to by Trump about the lender’s prospects of being made whole in the event of default?

To the extent those are not “similar,” you’re saying that enabling the lender to knowingly take on more risk is worse than lying to the lender about how much risk they’re taking on?

Trump wasn’t hired to determine the value of his assets. Rather he was asked to listed what he believed the assets to be worth.

Surely you see the difference in that, right?
 
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Trump wasn’t hired to determine the value of his assets. Rather he was asked to listed what he believed the assets to be worth.

Surely you see the difference in that, right?
Yes. Lying to the bank about their risk is worse.
 
Yes. Lying to the bank about their risk is worse.

You can’t be serious. Trump was not a real estate appraiser. No one hired him nor his company to appraise real estate.

If I go to the pawn shop and ask for 10k for my watch, me and the third party the shop employs to appraise my watch should not be held to the same legal standard. That’s the absurd standard you’re going with here.
 
You can’t be serious. Trump was not a real estate appraiser. No one hired him nor his company to appraise real estate.
Trump Inc. is not a sophisticated party in real estate dealings? That’s what you’re going with?

I guess carrying water in a bucket with no bottom is better than not carrying water at all, from your perspective.

You understand why the state of New York would have a public interest in protecting the stability of financial institutions, right?
 
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Trump Inc. is not a sophisticated party in real estate dealings? That’s what you’re going with?

I guess carrying water in a bucket with no bottom is better than not carrying water at all, from your perspective.

You understand why the state of New York would have a public interest in protecting the stability of financial institutions, right?

If you take your watch to the pawn shop and say it’s worth 10k, you are not held to the same standard in making that claim as a third party the shop hires to assess your claim.

That’s the laughable standard you’re professing right now
 
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If you take your watch to the pawn shop and say it’s worth 10k, you are not held to the same standard in making that claim as a third party the shop hires to assess your claim.

That’s the laughable standard you’re professing right now
Just quoting to make sure that analogy stands for all time as a testament to you not knowing what you’re talking about.
 
Just quoting to make sure that analogy stands for all time as a testament to you not knowing what you’re talking about.

Please do. You’re attempting to claim what you claim your assets to be worth creates a legal liability equal to that of a 3rd party property assessor.

Yes, what you’re claiming is laughable
 
Please do. You’re attempting to claim what you knowingly lie about what your assets are worth creates a legal liability equal to that of a 3rd party property assessor.

Yes, what you’re claiming is laughable
I think you’re trying so hard to get this water across the finish line that you’ve lost track of reality and the thread of the discussion.

I’ve fixed your post to reflect reality. You’re welcome, btw. I know being accurate is super important to you.

In New York, what happened (in reality) does create the same liability. I didn’t “claim” that, the Judge in New York ruled that it does.

What I “claimed” is that the State of New York has used this statute to punish similar actions when they circumvent financial institution risk regulations. Except I didn’t claim it, I proved it.
 
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Just quoting to make sure that analogy stands for all time as a testament to you not knowing what you’re talking about.

Don't bother. He's got a history of dragging folks down a rabbit hole of some detail he finds value in that's usually tangential to the crux of the issue.
 
Yes, this is the part where MAGA once again nose around on the ground, hunting for tiny bits of information/disinformation by which
they can claim that the latest indictment/charge/impeachment/lawsuit against the gangster has no validity and that the the poor, sweet man is just being persecuted.... again. Oh, my! Reality is a hard thing for some people to cope with.
 
Yes, this is the part where MAGA once again nose around on the ground, hunting for tiny bits of information/disinformation by which
they can claim that the latest indictment/charge/impeachment/lawsuit against the gangster has no validity and that the the poor, sweet man is just being persecuted.... again. Oh, my! Reality is a hard thing for some people to cope with.

Has Tiny's latest fundraising letter gone out yet? The fines are coming so the grifting must continue, time to ask his supporters (suckers) to fork over their hard-earned cash to pay for his criminal behavior once again. So many crimes, so much cash to be had.
 
So, to be clear, you believe a cause of action brought by the state of New York, under the exact same statute, alleging that knowingly lying about the value of collateral for a loan is a fraudulent business practice is not “similar” to Trump’s case because the lender requested the inflated valuation from the third party plaintiff rather than simply being lied to by Trump about the lender’s prospects of being made whole in the event of default?

To the extent those are not “similar,” you’re saying that enabling the lender to knowingly take on more risk is worse than lying to the lender about how much risk they’re taking on?
I don't think its as apples to apples as you are making it out to be. Its not apples to tanks, but there are some pretty clear distinctions.

1. Is Trump or his various businesses held to this standard?
"eAppraiseIT publicly advertises that its appraisals conform with the Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice (USPAP) and that they are "audited for compliance." "
This would be key to saying its a similar enough case. If Trump's businesses don't operate under that standard, they can't be held liable for it. just because its an adjacent industry doesn't mean they can be held to even similar standards. I am an architect, I am not held to the same standards as a real estate agent, contractor, engineer, or anyone else, you haven't established why Trump should be held to this standard.

2. Does he or his business actively advertise their services under this standard or as an appraiser? that would be fraud, if he was advertising as an appraiser working to that standard, and wasn't upholding it. I don't think there is a similar standard for Trump's businesses as noted above. or if he claimed the numbers on the financial disclosure were appraisals when they weren't.

3. the value of a property is quiet often not the same as what it is appraised for, Mar-a-lago being appraised at $18 million being a great piece to reference here. I can't find the actual Law being broken here to read the language but I would like to see what is required on these financial disclosures. The language would be telling, is an appraisal required/does the listed value have to be from an appraisal? the General Business Law 349 doesn't get into any type of specifics towards what documentation is required. NYS Open Legislation | NYSenate.gov if it was, then yeah Trump is guilty under the law, if that isn't required I am not sure why its brought up. it makes sense for the eAppraiseIT/First American case, but maybe not for Trump.

4. Trumps case doesn't hinge around a third party illegally influencing another, or at least I haven't seen that case made. Trumps case was purely between two parties. eAppraiseIT was dealing with a third party, and then all the individual buyers/sellers.

5. eAppraiseIT case also hinges on the involved parties actively knowing they were violating their standards, and kept doing it. I have yet to see that established with Trump. again it could be happening, but I haven't seen it from the judge's ruling.

so yeah, I don't see how its similar at all except its charged under the same base law. which is INCREDIBLY broad. the eAppraiseIT/First American case is wholly centered around appraisals and the standards there of. I would need to see a New York law that says a financial disclosure is equal to or held to the same/similar standard, or that Trump's businesses are held to some equal level of standard.
 
I did, you don't wanna accept the answer..because both sides agreed to it. And responsibility to the shareholders and those losses of interests is on the bank not Trump...
You keep saying that like it's the law, but you can't point me to anything that says it's the law.
 

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