COVID Relief Package

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hog88 said:
Why is this a bad thing?
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I guess its not, unless he likes being hated by his own GOP senators and it really doesnt serve much purpose, since it already passed. He better hope he hasnt pissed off Wisconsin voters that actually need the money or he will be the next GOP to lose that state
 
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508mikey said:
I guess its not, unless he likes being hated by his own GOP senators and it really doesnt serve much purpose, since it already passed. He better hope he hasnt pissed off Wisconsin voters that actually need the money or he will be the next GOP to lose that state
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Too bad that people are questioning and attacking his method rather than questioning and attacking why it takes ten hours to read a piece of legislation. People should even more be questioning why much of that ten hours covers stuff having nothing to do with covid relief. The honest truth is that this "covid" legislation should be voted down.
 
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AM64 said:
Too bad that people are questioning and attacking his method rather than questioning and attacking why it takes ten hours to read a piece of legislation. People should even more be questioning why much of that ten hours covers stuff having nothing to do with covid relief. The honest truth is that this "covid" legislation should be voted down.
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arent all these silly bills that many pages -- the last 2 were all loaded with pork too -- nothing will ever change with politicians no matter what party is flinging the bill - they all suck
 
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508mikey said:
I guess its not, unless he likes being hated by his own GOP senators and it really doesnt serve much purpose, since it already passed. He better hope he hasnt pissed off Wisconsin voters that actually need the money or he will be the next GOP to lose that state
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If enough Wisconsinites are in so desperate of a need of $1400 they will vote him out of office for this they have bigger problems up there.

I like the idea of every bill being read prior to voting.
 
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The bill still has to go back to the House right? The Senate made changes to it so I think they have to take another vote
 
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508mikey said:
Jack wagon should be voted out Ron Johnson grinds Senate to halt, irritating many
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For doing what should be done? Why would legislation be passed without being read? This is legislation designed to steal money yet you're upset someone had the guts to read it

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Yep, already talked to one person, they’re mad as heck at him. I’m sure others are to. I really don’t like everything in the bill, but to me, I know people is struggling so I think it has to pass quickly.
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then the person you talked to is a complete moron. If this bill was about helping citizens it wouldn't be the ridiculous mess it is. It's theft and forcing a reading of this theft should be the bare minimum for a rep. A few hours won't hurt anyone
 
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utvolpj said:
For doing what should be done? Why would legislation be passed without being read? This is legislation designed to steal money yet you're upset someone had the guts to read it

then the person you talked to is a complete moron. If this bill was about helping citizens it wouldn't be the ridiculous mess it is. It's theft and forcing a reading of this theft should be the bare minimum for a rep. A few hours won't hurt anyone
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My friend needs it now though. People are demanding him pay three months of rent. His job hasn’t opened up yet, but it will. He has taken on two part time jobs, but it isn’t enough to get caught up. He goes back to to his good paying job in April, but he may be kicked out, and to late.
 
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Orange defense said:
My friend needs it now though. People are demanding him pay three months of rent. His job hasn’t opened up yet, but it will. He has taken on two part time jobs, but it isn’t enough to get caught up. He goes back to to his good paying job in April, but he may be kicked out, and to late.
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It seems to me that $1400 isn't going to pay his 3 mos of rent. But that's only $300B of the $1.9T bill anyway. Put that in a separate bill and it'll pass today. But the Dems want to use this crisis to get more goodies
 
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Orange defense said:
My friend needs it now though. People are demanding him pay three months of rent. His job hasn’t opened up yet, but it will. He has taken on two part time jobs, but it isn’t enough to get caught up. He goes back to to his good paying job in April, but he may be kicked out, and to late.
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He should open up and tell the governor or mayor, who ever is forcing him to be closed to F off.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Excuse me sir, states are in desperate need of this money. Without it many will go bankrupt.

Also this:
Virus Did Not Bring Financial Rout That Many States Feared
Oregon's rosier state revenue forecast could mean a $571 million 'kicker' for taxpayers
Maine tax revenues ahead of forecasts, despite pandemic’s impact
Minnesota continues to see higher state revenue numbers than expected | MinnPost
State tax revenues in January come in strong, beat forecasts for 7th straight month
State surplus now tops half-billion dollars - Arkansas Times
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The real problem with this is that states like california an illinois etc were billions of dollars i debt before this virus and have been wanting a bailout for years. Much of the money is for unfunded pension plans.
Why California Is In Trouble – 340,000 Public Employees With $100,000+ Paychecks Cost Taxpayers $45 Billion
Adam AndrzejewskiSenior Contributor
Policy.

Despite California’s $54 billion budget deficit and $1 trillion unfunded pension liability, there are 340,390 government employees bringing home six-figure salary and pension checks.
Recently, though, Gov. Gavin Newsom asked U.S. taxpayers for a bailout.

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Why California Is In Trouble – 340,000 Public Employ

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Forbes' Kerry Dolan in conversation with billionaire Carlos Slim in 2







Despite California’s $54 billion budget deficit and $1 trillion unfunded pension liability, there are 340,390 government employees bringing home six-figure salary and pension checks.
Recently, though, Gov. Gavin Newsom asked U.S. taxpayers for a bailout.

The governor wrote a letter to Congress requesting $1 trillion in coronavirus 50-state aid. Then, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi obliged by adding $500 billion for the states into the HEROES Act – the bill passed and now awaits action in the Senate.
Here, in part, is why California is asking for taxpayers help.
Our auditors at OpentheBooks.com found truck drivers in San Francisco making $159,000 per year; lifeguards in LA County costing taxpayers $365,000; nurses at UCSF making up to $501,000; the UCLA athletic director earning $1.8 million; and 1,420 city employees out-earning all 50 state governors ($202,000).

Using our new interactive mapping tool, quickly review (by ZIP code) the 340,390 California public employees and retirees who earn more than $100,000 and cost taxpayers $45 billion (FY2018-9). Just click a pin and scroll down to see the results rendered in the chart beneath the map.
Here are a few examples of what you’ll uncover:


  • 109,627 teachers and school administrators – including the CEO of Summit Everest charter schools Diane Tavenner ($450,115); and superintendents Michael Lin ($443,875) at Corona-Norco Unified; Polly Bove ($395,257) at Fremont Union High; Christopher Hoffman ($351,885) at Elk Grove Unified; and Al Mijares ($348,276) at the Orange County Dept. of Education.
  • 66,403 college and university employees – including the athletic director at UCLA, Daniel Guerrero ($1.8 million), who is retiring amid criticisms that his teams lost too frequently. The school’s football coach, Charles (Chip) Kelly ($3.3 million), compiled a 7-17 record during his first two years and is the most highly compensated public employee in the state. Furthermore, there are 11,310 college and university employees making more than $200,000.
  • 62,204 State of California employees – including a nurse, Ito Chikako, at the University of California, who made $501,391 – paid through the state system. David Winsor Sirkin, Sr. Psychiatrist at Correctional & Rehabilitative Services, made $409,399. Corrections paid two dentists $385,596 last year. The chief regulator at barbering & cosmetology made $124,296.
  • 45,718 city and town employees – including 1,420 municipal administrators and employees who out-earned the California governor – the highest paid state governor ($202,000). Highly compensated city managers included Deanna Santana (Santa Clara – $396,158); Paul Arevalo (West Hollywood — $353,603); Fredrick Cole (Santa Monica – $342,780); David Ready (Palm Springs – $340,149); Edward Shikada (Palo Alto – $329,080); and Scott Ochoa (Ontario – $328,500).

Reaching out to all governments mentioned, Santa Clara responded saying that their city is complex and they compete for talent in Silicon Valley. Palm Springs responded by saying the city manager is cutting his pay by 20-percent to $288,579.
In 2017, we found that 44 lifeguards in Los Angeles County cost taxpayers between $200,000 and $365,000. Today, it’s worse with salaries comprising only about half the total cost when including overtime, extra pay and benefits.
In total, $45 billion in cash compensation flows to local and state government workers across California earning six figures. Our auditors did not include the cost of benefits.
We also haven’t included the payroll costs of at least 28,000 federal employees making $100,000+ within the executive agencies based in California.

Corruption In San Francisco
San Francisco’s self-titled “Mr. Clean,” Mohammed Nuru, Public Works Director, is best known for failed efforts to keep feces and hypodermic needles out of the public way. Cases of human waste on city streets spiked to 31,000 in 2019 – an all-time high.
Nuru earned a $269,500 annual salary in 2018 (up $55,000 over a seven-year period). Allegedly, that wasn’t enough. In February, Nuru was arrested for charges that included bribery.
Only in San Francisco can team members on the “poop patrol” cost taxpayers up to $184,000 each









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utvolpj said:
For doing what should be done? Why would legislation be passed without being read? This is legislation designed to steal money yet you're upset someone had the guts to read it

then the person you talked to is a complete moron. If this bill was about helping citizens it wouldn't be the ridiculous mess it is. It's theft and forcing a reading of this theft should be the bare minimum for a rep. A few hours won't hurt anyone
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Orange defense said:
My friend needs it now though. People are demanding him pay three months of rent. His job hasn’t opened up yet, but it will. He has taken on two part time jobs, but it isn’t enough to get caught up. He goes back to to his good paying job in April, but he may be kicked out, and to late.
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If a half day is the breaking point then he's unlikely to make it. Sorry
 
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Orange defense said:
My friend needs it now though. People are demanding him pay three months of rent. His job hasn’t opened up yet, but it will. He has taken on two part time jobs, but it isn’t enough to get caught up. He goes back to to his good paying job in April, but he may be kicked out, and to late.
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why isnt your friend getting unemployment ?
 
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Sea Ray said:
It seems to me that $1400 isn't going to pay his 3 mos of rent. But that's only $300B of the $1.9T bill anyway. Put that in a separate bill and it'll pass today. But the Dems want to use this crisis to get more goodies
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well the Liar Biden and the 2 balloonheads in the Georgia runoff promised 2000 ( those 2 idiots wouldnt have been elected if not for the lie) and I agree it should have been a stand alone bill and if the Human Turtle would have passed 2000 when Trump wanted it, those 2 would not have been elected and the GOP would still control the Senate - this is all on McConnells stupidity
 
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508mikey said:
well the Liar Biden and the 2 balloonheads in the Georgia runoff promised 2000 ( those 2 idiots wouldnt have been elected if not for the lie) and I agree it should have been a stand alone bill and if the Human Turtle would have passed 2000 when Trump wanted it, those 2 would not have been elected and the GOP would still control the Senate - this is all on McConnells stupidity
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Mitch, and the rest, should have been 100% against all and any stimulus checks. So should have Trump.
 
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