Cowherd was right and I am too

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CountVolcula said:
Yes, anything can happen

Losing by an average of 3 TDs the last 4 out of 5 games is what has happened
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And?

This is '14. Not '13. Not 1945 or 1996.

2014.

I've never understood using past games as current reference in any argument other than historical. It makes no sense.

You think it mattered to Alabama that we beat their asses from '95 on when they broke through in '07?

The answer is no.

Get real.

To the Bulldog troll - you haven't done anything of note in a decade and you haven't won a national title in 35 years. Bye.

There's that historical argument again. :rock:
 
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#103
Anything can happen in football, I don't know about winning but I do feel we will play them hard for 4 quarters. I don't expect to get blownout, I expect us to compete well and hopefully catch some good breaks along the way. GO VOLS!!!
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
I font give a crap about that stuff! I saw with my own eyes last year that their team has slipped some. Their corners struggled, they had no rush ends, team speed a little off. If rivals ratings were to be believed nobody would have beaten them last year. Do I think we are a better team? No but as coach majors said, you only have to better on the day you play. We are going to get them. Sick of the doom and bloomers. We are going 7-5 and maybe 8-4. We are coming back!
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With all of their so called "slips" they still thumped us very easily. I want to beat Bama just as bad as anyone but it's going to take more than a great recruiting class or 2 to beat them. I realize anything can happen but one has to at least take reality into account.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
You said it was ludicrous to believe we could even compete, I would call losing in the final seconds on a blocked FG competing.
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We have a generation of fans that honest to Pete feel that ratings are the gospel. We all know this to be false. Look at mack brown at Texas. Look at Florida. Florida never finishes out of the top five or six, but the results don't match the hype. The same thing is happening to saban, at this very moment. We will beat them in Knoxville. Count on it!
 
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Power T-Rev said:
First off, Cowherd is a gas bag who will say anything to get people going. The only problem with the argument is Bama has been bringing in 5 star recruits for the past several years. I like the optimism though
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In four years, Bama has only brought in 16 five star players. While that is about 8 times more than we have, it is also a small minority of the total roster.

Since 2011, using Rivals numbers, Bama has recruited 98 players who were 3 star or above to UT's 96. Bama has 16 (five star) to UT's 2; 54 (four star) to UT's 43; and 28 (three star) to UT's 51.

So look at it this way, if we assume all players recruited have stayed for both teams (an impossibility due to scholarship caps, but hang with me), Bama's roster is 16% five star, 55% four star, and 29% three star. Tennessee is 2% five star, 45% four star, and 53% three star.

Ultimately the talent difference between Bama and UT isn't the five star players, but the likelihood that Bama is lining up a solid four star player at every position against a high three star player.

They key for UT, obviously, is to recruit more four star players, less three star players, and celebrate an occasional five star player.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
We have a generation of fans that honest to Pete feel that ratings are the gospel. We all know this to be false. Look at mack brown at Texas. Look at Florida. Florida never finishes out of the top five or six, but the results don't match the hype. The same thing is happening to saban, at this very moment. We will beat them in Knoxville. Count on it!
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You've just picked two out of 120+ teams. If you're creating a rule by only looking at the exceptions, you're doing it wrong.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
With all of their so called "slips" they still thumped us very easily. I want to beat Bama just as bad as anyone but it's going to take more than a great recruiting class or 2 to beat them. I realize anything can happen but one has to at least take reality into account.
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While I agree with your theme, I must add this.

None of the teams that have beaten Bama recently have done so by out-recruiting them.
 
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daj2576 said:
You've just picked two out of 120+ teams. If you're creating a rule by only looking at the exceptions, you're doing it wrong.
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I do know that the nfl can be far more hands on with prospective draft choices than college coaches, with far fewer players to evaluate and yet we still have first rounders that bust. There is no way rivals can accurately rate thousands of players. They generally focus on players recruited by teams favored by their subscription base. It always takes them awhile to come around on schools. Texas a&m, UCLA,south Carolina, Stanford,Missouri are all schools that recruited way better than the experts believed. However, the explanation they were coached better. Steve spurrier wins and has always won with talent. He got in the nfl and was a failure because the teams are much more even in talent than college, and he could not out coach anybody. Yet, some think he has gotten a lot out of mediocre talent at Carolina. Thst is not true. Spurrier always got top three classes at Florida and by your standards likely under achieved. He has gotten way better players at Carolina than the experts have noted. Look at the players they have put in the nfl.
 
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daj2576 said:
In four years, Bama has only brought in 16 five star players. While that is about 8 times more than we have, it is also a small minority of the total roster.

Since 2011, using Rivals numbers, Bama has recruited 98 players who were 3 star or above to UT's 96. Bama has 16 (five star) to UT's 2; 54 (four star) to UT's 43; and 28 (three star) to UT's 51.

So look at it this way, if we assume all players recruited have stayed for both teams (an impossibility due to scholarship caps, but hang with me), Bama's roster is 16% five star, 55% four star, and 29% three star. Tennessee is 2% five star, 45% four star, and 53% three star.

Ultimately the talent difference between Bama and UT isn't the five star players, but the likelihood that Bama is lining up a solid four star player at every position against a high three star player.

They key for UT, obviously, is to recruit more four star players, less three star players, and celebrate an occasional five star player.
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You lose sight of the fact that there are truly once in a generation type players that can't be measured. Cam Newton,Tim tebow,Peyton manning,Johnny football all elevated programs immeasurably. Look at auburn post cam newton. We truly need another once in a generation type talent to elevate our program. 20 star players like cal Pickens,Reggie white, dale carter, chuck Webb etc.
 
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UTodd01 said:
We have a few things going for us in this game.


2.) Home field advantage AKA "The Kiffin Effect"

I laughed out loud, we must remember he is one of those who keeps on giving...everyone knows what is said about karma.
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BeattieFeathers said:
You lose sight of the fact that there are truly once in a generation type players that can't be measured. Cam Newton,Tim tebow,Peyton manning,Johnny football all elevated programs immeasurably. Look at auburn post cam newton. We truly need another once in a generation type talent to elevate our program. 20 star players like cal Pickens,Reggie white, dale carter, chuck Webb etc.
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If you do these evaluations that we are discussing, not one of Cam Newton, Tim Tebow or Johnny Manziel played for a team that had a significant positive performance above talent expectations. In fact, most of those teams tended to perform either exactly at, or sligthtly below, the expectations that talent averages would create. In fact, if you look at any championship won, or lost, by any team you just mentioned, they all performed exactly as talent averages predicted.

In other words, if talent averages predicted 10 wins for a team that won 10 games, how can you say that one player accounted for that? That is what you just described, in a nutshell. I will agree that is what is best described as conventional wisdom, and is the train of thought espoused by anyone who sits in front of a television camera and plays the role of expert.
 
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In keeping with the OP's theme of being a wishy-washy poster, I will post the following. Please read in the voice of "Macho Man" Randy Savage.


Damn right we gon whoop dat azz! Ooooooohhhh Yeah!
Bama's gonna roll into K-Town on top of the world and leave a smudge on the bottom of a Big Orange boot! Ooooooooohhhhhh Yeah!
 
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I'd be SHOCKED, SHOCKED, SHOCKED if they beat Oklahoma or Bama, but, you never know. Upsets happen every year that no one sees coming, plus, we have no idea how each team will be playing at that point.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
I said it before him. We will best Bama! It will be funny that in spite of the ratings, we will have better corners. There is concern about qb with nick saying a 2 qb system is possible. Their oline is very questionable just like ours. They have nobody coming off the edge that strikes fear unless a freshman emerges. They have great rbs and wrs. Their is concern about their overall defensive speed matching up with teams that spread it out. A new day is dawning people! We are going to shock the world in Knoxville!
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And Kentucky is going to win the national Championship game :eek:lol:
 
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CountVolcula said:
Because its ludicrous to believe that a team like ours can even compete with a team like Alabama.

Its like Vandy fans use to be towards UT every year for 30 years
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Sad. Just sad. We can and will beat bama. People like you make me sick. We have talent and a will to win with this legacy force brewing and installing fear in our rivals, bama included.
 
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Nationdom said:
Sad. Just sad. We can and will beat bama. People like you make me sick. We have talent and a will to win with this legacy force brewing and installing fear in our rivals, bama included.
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Yep, no doubt about it. Bama looks at their schedule and is shaking in their boots at the prospects of having to play a 5-7 team that they've out scored 174 points the last 7 years.

Bama will respect our rivalry again one day soon....just not in 2014, not yet.
 
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KBVol said:
Yep, no doubt about it. Bama looks at their schedule and is shaking in their boots at the prospects of having to play a 5-7 team that they've out scored 174 points the last 7 years.

Bama will respect our rivalry again one day soon....just not in 2014, not yet.
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New year, new players, new team, something you can't seem to grasp. Living in the past will get you no where.
 
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Nationdom said:
New year, new players, new team, something you can't seem to grasp. Living in the past will get you no where.
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So, has this been your response each of the last 7 years vs Bama and the last 9 vs Florida? It's called maturity, reality, being a grown up and evidently having a clue, as compared to you, as to how this football thing works. Is it possible UT can win this year? Yes. Is it remotely probable and a 100% lock like you seem to proclaim in every thread? Hell no.
 
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Nationdom said:
New year, new players, new team, something you can't seem to grasp. Living in the past will get you no where.
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2008 - "New year, new players, new team" 3 TD loss
2009 - "New year, new players, new team" 2 pt loss (high water mark)
2010 - "New year, new players, new team" 4 TD loss
2011 - "New year, new players, new team" 4 TD loss
2012 - "New year, new players, new team" 4 TD loss
2013 - "New year, new players, new team" 5 TD loss

Could UT win this year? Sure. But the gap has never been larger in this series. That gap needs to close before folks start talking in certainties.
 
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KBVol said:
So, has this been your response each of the last 7 years vs Bama and the last 9 vs Florida? It's called maturity, reality, being a grown up and evidently having a clue, as compared to you, as to how this football thing works. Is it possible UT can win this year? Yes. Is it remotely probable and a 100% lock like you seem to proclaim in every thread? Hell no.
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Negavol! :p
 
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