Orangeslice13
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Unless you’re just having students memorize events and their corresponding dates without any discussion, all history education requires “subjective history”, though I prefer the term “interpretation” in this context. That’s the point, though, is to not only learn what happened, but delve into why and how. Promoting critical thinking about historical events is a huge part of effective history education."Accurate viewpoints that are representative of the student bodies in their classrooms"....that is not called history, just "subjective history" or even indoctrination
Unless you’re just having students memorize events and their corresponding dates without any discussion, all history education requires “subjective history”, though I prefer the term “interpretation” in this context. That’s the point, though, is to not only learn what happened, but delve into why and how. Promoting critical thinking about historical events is a huge part of effective history education.
Here’s where I am on CRT: if it means teaching history in an unfettered manner, I’m for it. If it means refusing to whitewash ugly parts of our history and discussing it in a real way, I’m all for it. If it means pigeon-holing kids’ thought process into focusing on history in a strictly racial context, I’m out.
I don’t remember the killing of Native Americans being taught in the context of a horrible genocide, but objectively it certainly qualified. I do remember the euro-centric point of view about “Americans” exploring and conquering the west as being painted in a heroic light. That is a context from a singular point of view, the European point of view.You think history is not already taught without context? Formation of America, the killing of natives, the Civil War and such? There is no whitewashing.
I learned about the slaughter of native Americans, the smallpox blankets, etc. Also slavery from the underground railroad to Frederick Douglass, etc. Also learned about the Japanese concentration camps that we had here and segregation. There was no whitewashing our own countries mistakes. But the curriculum never suggested anything about a race being inferior or superior or to blame for anything. CRT blames white kids and it's crap.I don’t remember the killing of Native Americans being taught in the context of a horrible genocide, but objectively it certainly qualified. I do remember the euro-centric point of view about “Americans” exploring and conquering the west as being painted in a heroic light. That is a context from a singular point of view, the European point of view.
Smallpox blankets is a myth based on one incident. This is the problem with public schools is that the teachers usually don’t even know the actual factsI learned about the slaughter of native Americans, the smallpox blankets, etc. Also slavery from the underground railroad to Frederick Douglass, etc. Also learned about the Japanese concentration camps that we had here and segregation. There was no whitewashing our own countries mistakes. But the curriculum never suggested anything about a race being inferior or superior or to blame for anything. CRT blames white kids and it's crap.
I don't recall learning it as a widespread strategy and it was a one time incident. But that's not the only example that type of incident in history. Mankind has always done messed up things and race had nothing to do with it. We are all guilty in the past.Smallpox blankets is a myth based on one incident. This is the problem with public schools is that the teachers usually don’t even know the actual facts
CTR is misused if it instills guilt in any way. Blame over why my great great grandpa did something to your great great grandpa isn’t the point. The point is when a group of people do something bad, calling it as such and explaining why. If those bad actions had a lasting effect on society, point it out and explain why that happened. The goal is understanding, not guilt IMO.I learned about the slaughter of native Americans, the smallpox blankets, etc. Also slavery from the underground railroad to Frederick Douglass, etc. Also learned about the Japanese concentration camps that we had here and segregation. There was no whitewashing our own countries mistakes. But the curriculum never suggested anything about a race being inferior or superior or to blame for anything. CRT blames white kids and it's crap.
I agree with this. CRT assigns guilt to current parties. That is why it is being rejected. As it should be.CTR is misused if it instills guilt in any way. Blame over why my great great grandpa did something to your great great grandpa isn’t the point. The point is when a group of people do something bad, calling it as such and explaining why. If those bad actions had a lasting effect on society, point it out and explain why that happened. The goal is understanding, not guilt IMO.
I don’t remember the killing of Native Americans being taught in the context of a horrible genocide, but objectively it certainly qualified. I do remember the euro-centric point of view about “Americans” exploring and conquering the west as being painted in a heroic light. That is a context from a singular point of view, the European point of view.
I learned about the slaughter of native Americans, the smallpox blankets, etc. Also slavery from the underground railroad to Frederick Douglass, etc. Also learned about the Japanese concentration camps that we had here and segregation. There was no whitewashing our own countries mistakes. But the curriculum never suggested anything about a race being inferior or superior or to blame for anything. CRT blames white kids and it's crap.
I agree it’s dumb to conflate today’s society to society 50 years ago, 100 years ago, or 250 years ago. It’s not the same, and progress has been made. It important to remember that progress comes in fits and starts and sometime involves regression. I agree that dwelling on the sins of our past isn’t the way to go, so long as we learn about them and learn from them. Acknowledging that we aren’t a finished product in our societal evolution isn’t a bad thing either.I don’t know what school you went to @OHvol40, but as @utvols88 stated, we we’re definitely taught about all those aspects of American history. I would say most people are very aware of our history and understand it in the proper context, scars and all. You’re always, unfortunately, going to have a few that are either uneducated or choose to ignore it. The problem arises when our .gov wants to dwell on those scars and present history in the classroom as though nothing has changed and not one ounce of progress has been made, which is categorically false and dumb.
CTR is misused if it instills guilt in any way. Blame over why my great great grandpa did something to your great great grandpa isn’t the point. The point is when a group of people do something bad, calling it as such and explaining why. If those bad actions had a lasting effect on society, point it out and explain why that happened. The goal is understanding, not guilt IMO.
Ah, thanks for the daily dose of bad faith, it wouldn’t be the VN PF without it.The very purpose top to bottom is shame white people. White people on the streets literally washing the feet of blacks and all other non sense.
You want to teach history...talk about the African tribes selling opposing tribe members into slavehood, Indians with their own slaves, the formation of the KKK by the Dem party, the ugliness of Macolm X and his revolutionaries....We could go on and on.
Point being this is nothing but white shaming. So proponents can KMA.