Cross on the mound for Easter at the baseball game [MOVED]

[bignewt]

So the new standard is what we believe things should be? I thought this was a Constitutional Representative Republic where we have a set of founding documents that help us determine how to best run our country and if we want to change those documents we follow the specified process laid out in said documents to do so. Just because you believe there should be a separation doesn't mean that there actually is. It doesn't matter how many times you say it or how many times it is printed on a poster board and hauled out for a protest. We have a Constitution and if you don't like it then please petition to have it amended.

How about war being an act of Congress? We seem to have thrown that in the trash right after wwII...

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Good for you. Not for me.

maybe there is a reason for that or maybe you're not giving credit where it belongs, Idk.

Whether I own a multi-billion $ empire or I'm talking with a neighbor. . . I won't tell you what to do and you wont tell me, ok? If I don't like what you do, I'll respect you and stay in my lane. If you don't like what I do, turn your cheek and keep your mouth closed too.

Many people are so self-righteous and petty these days. They want everything done to suit their life-style, to make their ego happy and to create a world how they think it shoud be. They have zero consideration or care for how their selfishness in change may effect other's life-styles, as long as it makes them happy and appeases their ego.

 

[bignewt]

I hear ya, I just don’t agree.

I respect that.

 

[bignewt]

maybe there is a reason for that or maybe you're not giving credit where it belongs, Idk.

Whether I own a multi-billion $ empire or I'm talking with a neighbor. . . I won't tell you what to do and you wont tell me, ok? If I don't like what you do, I'll respect you and stay in my lane. If you don't like what I do, turn your cheek and keep your mouth closed too.

Many people are so self-eighteous and petty these days. They want everything done to suit their life-style, to make their ego happy and to create a world how they think it shoud be. They have zero consideration or care for how their selfishness in change may effect other's life-styles, as long as it makes them happy and appeases their ego.

Then you should reread your post.

 

[ACvol3]

I think they should not allow religious symbols because of the separation of church and state, not due to offending people although I could see how someone would be offended seeing as how ridiculous people take religion.

Do we know who put the cross there? I’m guessing it was not a university official’s idea. Probably the players/coaches choice. I don’t think the school should push religion on anybody, but I think the individuals should have the freedom

 

[bignewt]

You’re right. Secularists are all free thinkers bro. No tribal mentality at all

When I say echo chamber, there are more than one you are correct there. Biggest problem with our country right now. The divide in thinking and how everyone just listens to what they already agree with.

 

[Leeleesteeth]

My belief in religious neutrality for the state is just logical. Has zero to do with the constitution, at least for me.

Understood. My opinion is if the team decided to honor the Easter holiday and the resurrection of Jesus in the way they did, it should be no one's business but theirs. If the team decides to put a Muslim or Jewish symbol in honor of something, while I may not like it or agree with it, it should still be their business.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Then you should reread your post.

Why? You can say or do what you want, I won't change that. I'll keep my mouth closed, just like most people should do when it comes to certain things. Live and let live.

 

[bignewt]

Do we know who put the cross there? I’m guessing it was not a university official’s idea. Probably the players/coaches choice. I don’t think the school should push religion on anybody, but I think the individuals should have the freedom

Yeah I don't know who did either. Like I said it's not a big deal to me but as one has the right to put it there others have the same right to not like it.

 

[bignewt]

Why? You can say or do what you want, I won't change that. I'll keep my mouth closed, just like most people should do when it comes to certain things.

You said celebrate Christ in all things. Which you are justified to do as long as you don't infringe on others.

 

[Glitch]

I see we are just going to ignore the 14th Amendment.

No. By all means, let's discuss equal protection. In what way do you believe the 14th Amendment creates a separation between church and state. It simply states that the government (and state governments) cannot make laws or policies that infringe upon anyone's rights.

I guess my bigger question would be, where do our rights come from? Does the government give us our rights, or are we "endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” The government only exists to protect our rights and freedoms, it is not the source of them.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Twitter: We censor free speech, so the government doesn't have to.

To be fair, Twitter is a business and can censor whoever they want on their platform. It's not all that different than the mods on here deleting posts and banning people.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

You said celebrate Christ in all things. Which you are justified to do as long as you don't infringe on others.

Correct. How is it infringing on others? I share what it has done for me, I don't tell anyone they have to believe what I do. I also won't agree that anyone should be limited in what they are able to share, regardless of their religion.

The infringement comes when people start dictating to each other and running checks and balances on what's allowed and what's not.

 

[Glitch]

How about war being an act of Congress? We seem to have thrown that in the trash right after wwII...

Well, I agree with you there. I think it has been a tremendous waste of human life and fiscal resources. The battles we have fought have ultimately led to nothing and all the lives lost is heartbreaking.

 

[Glitch]

Do we know who put the cross there? I’m guessing it was not a university official’s idea. Probably the players/coaches choice. I don’t think the school should push religion on anybody, but I think the individuals should have the freedom

Schools should not push any religion or political ideology. However, colleges and universities are playgrounds for professors to push their political views on impressionable young minds. I would love it if schools at all levels just got back to teaching the subject matter and stopped pushing agendas one way or the other.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I don’t claim to be objective. But yes we’ve had great discussions

 

[bignewt]

Well, I agree with you there. I think it has been a tremendous waste of human life and fiscal resources. The battles we have fought have ultimately led to nothing and all the lives lost is heartbreaking.

Hence my point about our government straying far from the constitution in many ways. Sometimes its warranted as the world is a vastly different place than it was in 1776 but lets not act like the powers that be see it as a living document.

 

[Glitch]

Hence my point about our government straying far from the constitution in many ways. Sometimes its warranted as the world is a vastly different place than it was in 1776 but lets not act like the powers that be see it as a living document.

The powers that be are the problem.

 

[bignewt]

The powers that be are the problem.

Yep. Unchecked greed and a two party system that is in bed together and a populace that fails to see it as they push farther and farther to either side of the same coin.

 

[Glitch]

Yep. Unchecked greed and a two party system that is in bed together and a populace that fails to see it as they push farther and farther to either side of the same coin.

There is some appeal to the parliamentarian system forcing many smaller parties to come together to form a majority. The problem with government in general is that it is comprised of people and people are flawed.

 

[Weezer]

The two-party system splits the nation and divides the people. It's everything George Washington warned against in his Farewell to the Nation.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

The two-party system splits the nation and divides the people. It's everything George Washington warned against in his Farewell to the Nation.

I get the 2 party system.

Republican and Democrat are yin and yang. Chaos and order. Feminine and masculine. Between the two you represent both sides of the dichotomy.

But we are so dangerously polarized right now

We need like a center left part and a center right party to balance this crap out.

I have a friend in Sweden and a few years ago he said something interesting about an election that had just transpired.

The leftwing party and the right wing party started to really heat up and get a little crazy. The people went to the polls and guess what happened....the centrist party won and balanced everything out. Cooler heads prevailed.

 

[Chuckie]

I don't know the answer, but our two-party system essentially gives all the attention and representation to the most extreme 5-10% of their constituency. The remaining 80-90% of citizens, regardless of whether they are on the liberal or conservative side of the fence, are ignored.

 

[Glitch]

The two-party system splits the nation and divides the people. It's everything George Washington warned against in his Farewell to the Nation.

But George Washington owned slaves, so everything he did is invalidated and stricken from the record.

 

[Theshag]

No. By all means, let's discuss equal protection. In what way do you believe the 14th Amendment creates a separation between church and state. It simply states that the government (and state governments) cannot make laws or policies that infringe upon anyone's rights.

I guess my bigger question would be, where do our rights come from? Does the government give us our rights, or are we "endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” The government only exists to protect our rights and freedoms, it is not the source of them.

A way to think about a right is that it is something you have permission to do absent interference from the government. Under our constitution, I have a right to not permit troops to quarter in my home during peacetime.

Freedom of religion under our system is implemented by forbidding the government from taking action that impose on your exercise of religious belief. Freedom to worship (or not) was been codified in the First Amendment. The fourteenth says states cannot burden on rights anymore than the federal government. Which was my original point.

The 1st Amendment creates the wall, Obama or Trump were not permitted under the constitution to order you to worship anything. It's more complicated, of course, but at it's base, that is what the right is about. It is only workable if the government treats all religions without preference.

The Declaration of Independence is a statement of principles, not law. To most of the founders, the Christian God gave people inalienable rights, but the wisdom of the Constitution is that it put into place a system that can be run by men to protect them. You can think whatever you want about where the rights come from, and so can I, but that doesn't matter under the law.