Cross on the mound for Easter at the baseball game [MOVED]

[bignewt]

Do you not see the distinction between a teacher, a paid government employee advancing an ideology as opposed to a student?

Big difference to me between a religious symbol and a political philosophy. But unfortunately we live in a world where they are intertwined.

 

[InVOLuntary]

We're talking ideology whether it's BLM, LBTQ, religion or any philosophy. Y'all think religion is some different trump card you can pull. It's not. It's the expression of ideas. You are either for it or against it all or you only want your views to be expressed.

 

[Jackcrevol]

We're talking ideology whether it's BLM, LBTQ, religion or any philosophy. Y'all think religion is some different trump card you can pull. It's not. It's the expression of ideas. You are either for it or against it all or you only want your views to be expressed.

y'all enjoy your philisophical discussion today. Some of us have to work.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

We're talking ideology whether it's BLM, LBTQ, religion or any philosophy. Y'all think religion is some different trump card you can pull. It's not. It's the expression of ideas. You are either for it or against it all or you only want your views to be expressed.

Right. The same ones in here complaining about the cross on the field or the religious teacher, have absolutely no problem with the professor shoving LGBT and other agendas down the throat of students, openly mocking Christianity, and allowing no opportunity for retort or the free marketplace of ideas.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Big difference to me between a religious symbol and a political philosophy. But unfortunately we live in a world where they are intertwined.

 

[bignewt]

We're talking ideology whether it's BLM, LBTQ, religion or any philosophy. Y'all think religion is some different trump card you can pull. It's not. It's the expression of ideas. You are either for it or against it all or you only want your views to be expressed.

Religion is different, yes. Its far more than an expression of ideas. Millions of people have died over religion, how many have died over LBTQ?

 

[Chuckie]

Do you?

Brilliant debate tactic there, Bass. Answer a question with a question. That's good stuff.

I don't think she should have done it. I didn't complain to the school, and I didn't bring it up here as a lamentation.

 

[bignewt]

Right. The same ones in here complaining about the cross on the field or the religious teacher, have absolutely no problem with the professor shoving LGBT and other agendas down the throat of students, openly mocking Christianity, and allowing no opportunity for retort or the free marketplace of ideas.

Ive never met a professor like that. I think he lives in the nightmares of Christian parents' whose kids are stretching out their minds at the demonic public university.

 

[BucVol98]

Cool story. I don't really care what the constitution says. I believe that there should be separation. The state and its entities should be religion neutral.

Biggest joke of the day, do you have any idea how un-neutral states and entities are? You act like they are pro-Christian and pro-conservative values because there was a Cross on the baseball field on Easter Sunday, but they are the EXACT opposite. So if you want to gripe about a cross on the baseball field why don't you gripe about all the negativity that is put toward Christians by today's woke society through government policy, liberal idiot talking pieces, and public academia.

 

[BucVol98]

Ive never met a professor like that. I think he lives in the nightmares of Christian parents' whose kids are stretching out their minds at the demonic public university.

Literally just read an article about a HS teacher in WI doing a performance at the talent show in drag because he's LGBTQ, yeah they definitely don't exist

 

[bignewt]

Biggest joke of the day, do you have any idea how un-neutral states and entities are? You act like they are pro-Christian and pro-conservative values because there was a Cross on the baseball field on Easter Sunday, but they are the EXACT opposite. So if you want to gripe about a cross on the baseball field why don't you gripe about all the negativity that is put toward Christians by today's woke society through government policy, liberal idiot talking pieces, and public academia.

Too late Buc. Way too late.

 

[bignewt]

Literally just read an article about a HS teacher in WI doing a performance at the talent show in drag because he's LGBTQ, yeah they definitely don't exist

OH NO! The HORROR!

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Brilliant debate tactic there, Bass. Answer a question with a question. That's good stuff.

I don't think she should have done it. I didn't complain to the school, and I didn't bring it up here as a lamentation.

It's not a debate tactic. Are we in a debate? Do we need to find a moderator?

The point of the question is to get you to think. Because I would ask you how you would feel if the teacher was pushing their worldview on my child? If they were pushing atheism, secular philosophy, or LGBT views on them? Would that make you equally as unhappy?

If the answer is no, then you're a hypocrite.

And yet, at the college level, and as we can see with the Florida bill, even at the kindergarten level, only one of these worldviews are being pushed on the students. And, it seems to me, that you and others holding to your viewpoint only care about one view being eliminated and not the other. Which, of course, is expected.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Ive never met a professor like that. I think he lives in the nightmares of Christian parents' whose kids are stretching out their minds at the demonic public university.

That's because you are blind to it due to the echo chamber that you live in

 

[Chuckie]

"And as the final sunset rolls behind the earth, and the clock is finally dead,
I'll look at you, you'll look at me and we'll cry a lot,
And this will be what we said...
Look where all this talking got us, baby."

Go Vols!

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

OH NO! The HORROR!

Again, you love that. That's stretching the mind, right? But if it were a Christian up there with a Christian message, that would be indoctrination according to Newt, and here you would be crying and complaining about it being removed. That's being a hypocrite. Admit it.

 

[bignewt]

That's because you are blind to it due to the echo chamber that you live in

That's rich. Professors are like cops, there are good ones and bad ones. It's just reality. Deal with it.

 

[bignewt]

Again, you love that. That's stretching the mind, right? But if it were a Christian up there with a Christian message, that would be indoctrination according to Newt, and here you would be crying and complaining about it being removed. That's being a hypocrite. Admit it.

How do you know that teacher isn't Christian? Guess what, there are homosexuals that are. But please tell me how a man wearing a dress during A PLAY will make the students gay. You do realize that Shakespeare troupes have been dressing and performing as women for centuries right?

 

[Chuckie]

It's not a debate tactic. Are we in a debate? Do we need to find a moderator?

The point of the question is to get you to think. Because I would ask you how you would feel if the teacher was pushing their worldview on my child? If they were pushing atheism, secular philosophy, or LGBT views on them? Would that make you equally as unhappy?

If the answer is no, then you're a hypocrite.

And yet, at the college level, and as we can see with the Florida bill, even at the kindergarten level, only one of these worldviews are being pushed on the students. And, it seems to me, that you and others holding to your viewpoint only care about one view being eliminated and not the other. Which, of course, is expected.

Bass, what you described above is exactly why I posed the question...I assumed this was quite evident (and why I included the caveat that I didn't complain to the school...would you have complained to the school using your scenario?). What you described would bother me absolutely as much, I don't think I'm a hypocrite.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

That's rich. Professors are like cops, there are good ones and bad ones. It's just reality. Deal with it.

You see, I too can throw out meaningless expressions like "echo chamber" as a way to corner you into a position of inferiority to me. It makes me feel superior, and that my ideas are superior to your ideas, even if they're not.

You should try to evolve your thinking rather than using such useless statements. You're better than that.

 

[BucVol98]

Here's a question for those of you who are so threatened by what your kids might be taught or exposed to at school.

My daughter (senior in high school) has a teacher (of math) who has brought up religion a few times this year. My daughter's standard response is to say that she doesn't consider herself to be religious. So this teacher brings my daughter a little knitted cross. She told my daughter that she (the teacher) believes that she will go to heaven when she dies and wants to see my daughter there.

Do you have a problem with this?

I'm not saying it's the right setting or that the teacher isn't crossing a boundary of her job as a state employee, but it sure is terrible that that teacher cares enough for your child to tell them that they hope to see them in heaven some day. That being said I agree that the classroom is not the time or place to influence kids with religion.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

How do you know that teacher isn't Christian? Guess what, there are homosexuals that are. But please tell me how a man wearing a dress during A PLAY will make the students gay. You do realize that Shakespeare troupes have been dressing and performing as women for centuries right?

I can actually tell you with 100% certainty that he is not. But that would be wasted on someone who doesn't hold to my worldview.

Again, it isn't a Shakespearean play. It is presentation of a worldview. You're fine with that. You would not be fine if it were a Christian presentation. You only want one side silenced. You should just be honest with yourself.

 

[BucVol98]

Too late Buc. Way too late.

never to late to join in a good ole debate lol got a promotion at work so I've been a lot busier and haven't been here in a WHILE

 

[bignewt]

You see, I too can throw out meaningless expressions like "echo chamber" as a way to corner you into a position of inferiority to me. It makes me feel superior, and that my ideas are superior to your ideas, even if they're not.

You should try to evolve your thinking rather than using such useless statements. You're better than that.

*Preaches to me about acting superior

*Types another sentence that is nothing but that.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Bass, what you described above is exactly why I posed the question...I assumed this was quite evident (and why I included the caveat that I didn't complain to the school...would you have complained to the school using your scenario?). What you described would bother me absolutely as much, I don't think I'm a hypocrite.

If it would bother you as much, then you should understand why it bothers Christian parents who send their children to school only to have teachers/professors do exactly as I have described.