Cutcliffe's record at Duke makes

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majic73 said:
simple correlation ..

2005 - 5-6 - no Cutt
2006 - 9-4 - Cutt returns
2007 - 10-4 - Cutt still here
2008 - 5-7 - cutt is gone

He is a great coach
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The number's don't lie. If Meachem would have stayed for his senior year (07) they could've been more competitive offensively.
 
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I was leaning against Cutcliffe at the time because I wanted us to try and make it to the next level. Unfortunately we went to the next level down.

To me Cut not only was a aging coach, but represented a limited ceiling and a stopgap solution. But in hindsight, if I knew we were going to hire Kiffin/Dooley then I would've been all for Cut from day one.
 
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OrangeUTopia said:
I was leaning against Cutcliffe at the time because I wanted us to try and make it to the next level. Unfortunately we went to the next level down.

To me Cut not only was a aging coach, but represented a limited ceiling and a stopgap solution. But in hindsight, if I knew we were going to hire Kiffin/Dooley then I would've been all for Cut from day one.
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Good point. Sometimes you need to be willing to see the answer in front of you instead of glassing the horizon.

Really, the only thing worth mentioning here is not how many years it took, that it's the ACC or whatever. It's freakin' Duke, guys..Duke! I see no evidence we wouldn't have far better off had Cut succeeded Fulmer.
Let's hope CBJ is the answer but if he ain't that we don't take another 3 years to figure it.
 
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NCFisher said:
Good point. Sometimes you need to be willing to see the answer in front of you instead of glassing the horizon.

Really, the only thing worth mentioning here is not how many years it took, that it's the ACC or whatever. It's freakin' Duke, guys..Duke! I see no evidence we wouldn't have far better off had Cut succeeded Fulmer.
Let's hope CBJ is the answer but if he ain't that we don't take another 3 years to figure it.
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I wonder if Cutcliffe would have succeeded Fulmer?
 
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NCFisher said:
Good point. Sometimes you need to be willing to see the answer in front of you instead of glassing the horizon.

Really, the only thing worth mentioning here is not how many years it took, that it's the ACC or whatever. It's freakin' Duke, guys..Duke! I see no evidence we wouldn't have far better off had Cut succeeded Fulmer.
Let's hope CBJ is the answer but if he ain't that we don't take another 3 years to figure it.
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So what are you saying? You would give Cut 6 years at Tennessee to turn it around but only give Coach Jones 2 years?
 
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majic73 said:
simple correlation ..

2005 - 5-6 - no Cutt
2006 - 9-4 - Cutt returns
2007 - 10-4 - Cutt still here
2008 - 5-7 - cutt is gone

He is a great coach
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Exactly. CPF major problem was not having Cut and making poor OC hires. You are only as good as your assistant coaches and recruiting. Look at CPF record the years when he had Cut and Chief compared to the years he didn't have both of them and there is a huge difference. That is why I'm concerned about CBJ's assistants. I hope it is just talent and speed because if is not those I'm very concerned about the direction of where this team is going. I love CBJ, but the jury is out on the assistants except for their recruiting.
 
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beneVOLence said:
Exactly. CPF major problem was not having Cut and making poor OC hires. You are only as good as your assistant coaches and recruiting. Look at CPF record the years when he had Cut and Chief compared to the years he didn't have both of them and there is a huge difference. That is why I'm concerned about CBJ's assistants. I hope it is just talent and speed because if is not those I'm very concerned about the direction of where this team is going. I love CBJ, but the jury is out on the assistants except for their recruiting.
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I see your concerns about the staff as valid . I have a wait and see attitude ( till next years at least ) . I have no special love for CBJs staff , so I am not offering excuses but see the following as reasons they have come up short :
1 ) no defensive front depth . This would be a tough deal for any coach . The front has played 1 or 2 more games worth of reps compared to some of their peers. This is the biggest reason they suck after about 1.5 quarters.
2 ) No established QB . Worley went from bad to improving to injured. Dobbs has an incredible potential ...but is making freshman mistakes and is inconsistent as should be expected of a newbie. QB shortcomings are coach-able but not overnight ..more like a season and off season.
3 ) this schedule would make losers out of some of the best teams in the country . We are not one of the best teams in the country .

I will withhold judgement. All three areas should improve next season ...then we can look more to the staff to see if they Cutt it ( pun intended )
 
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Cut was the answer. Even with Fulmer, The best years was with Cut. Not a coincidence.

Cut is a great coach ANY coach that can win at Miss and Duke are great coaches. We would be competing for championships today.

Was he flashy? No
Does he win everywhere he goes? Yep
 
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driscokid said:
me wonder what our situation would be like had he been hired in 2009 or 2010 instead of Kiffin and Dooley. Gotta say that I bet our situation would be pretty good....(not saying I don't like Butch)
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Dont think so - His high point was Ole Miss.
 
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One winning season in six years isn't proof that Cut is a great HC even at Duke. Overall record 29-42 playing a weak ACC schedule. No wins against a top 25 team until this year. Their having a very good year for Duke but not seeing what so many others are seeing in Cut. He was a very good OC though.

* Cut had a decent run at Mississippi but who wouldn't (Dooley excluded) with Eli Manning as your QB. Once Eli was gone they went right back to 4-7.
 
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GLDunlap said:
One winning season in six years isn't proof that Cut is a great HC even at Duke. Overall record 29-42 playing a weak ACC schedule. No wins against a top 25 team until this year. Their having a very good year for Duke but not seeing what so many others are seeing in Cut. He was a very good OC though.

* Cut had a decent run at Mississippi but who wouldn't (Dooley excluded) with Eli Manning as your QB. Once Eli was gone they went right back to 4-7.
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You've got to admit we're talking about Duke. They haven't had a winning season since Spurrier-25 years. That's pretty amazing. Also, if you've seen where their recruiting classes have been ranked-somewhere between "I can't count that high" and infinity.
 
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secking said:
Cut was the answer. Even with Fulmer, The best years was with Cut. Not a coincidence.

Cut is a great coach ANY coach that can win at Miss and Duke are great coaches. We would be competing for championships today.

Was he flashy? No
Does he win everywhere he goes? Yep
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It's not exactly hard to win with a Manning at QB. Remind me how he did at Ole Miss after Eli left.

Do you really think Duke could win 8+ games in the SEC? If we traded schedules with them, we would be 8-2 and they would be 3-7.

He's done a good job at Duke, considering it's Duke. But let's try not to give more credit than is due.
 
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GLDunlap said:
One winning season in six years isn't proof that Cut is a great HC even at Duke. Overall record 29-42 playing a weak ACC schedule. No wins against a top 25 team until this year. Their having a very good year for Duke but not seeing what so many others are seeing in Cut. He was a very good OC though.

* Cut had a decent run at Mississippi but who wouldn't (Dooley excluded) with Eli Manning as your QB. Once Eli was gone they went right back to 4-7.
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Uh, hi, it's DUKE. Back to back bowl game (first time ever) and they are in position to play for the conference championship. I wish I was saying we were already bowl eligible and going to the SECCG.
 
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SGMVols said:
It's not exactly hard to win with a Manning at QB. Remind me how he did at Ole Miss after Eli left.

Do you really think Duke could win 8+ games in the SEC? If we traded schedules with them, we would be 8-2 and they would be 3-7.

He's done a good job at Duke, considering it's Duke. But let's try not to give more credit than is due.
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Not if you trade the rosters as well.
 
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SGMVols said:
It's not exactly hard to win with a Manning at QB. Remind me how he did at Ole Miss after Eli left.

Do you really think Duke could win 8+ games in the SEC? If we traded schedules with them, we would be 8-2 and they would be 3-7.

He's done a good job at Duke, considering it's Duke. But let's try not to give more credit than is due.
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That must be why the Giants are doing so poorly-Manning left them and went to Duke.
 
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secking said:
Uh, hi, it's DUKE. Back to back bowl game (first time ever) and they are in position to play for the conference championship. I wish I was saying we were already bowl eligible and going to the SECCG.
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I never said he hasn't done a good job at Duke but his overall record before this year was 21-40 and that's against a weak ACC schedule. Anywhere else and Cut would have already been fired. Besides that all I said was there is nothing in his coaching history that proves he is a great HC. Decent/average yes but nothing more. If anyone else thought he would be a great coach at this level they would have already hired him. Better then Kiffin/Dooley yes but Cut made it very clear from day one that he wasn't interested in being the HC here at that time.
 
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GLDunlap said:
I never said he hasn't done a good job at Duke but his overall record before this year was 21-40 and that's against a weak ACC schedule. Anywhere else and Cut would have already been fired. Besides that all I said was there is nothing in his coaching history that proves he is a great HC. Decent/average yes but nothing more. If anyone else thought he would be a great coach at this level they would have already hired him. Better then Kiffin/Dooley yes but Cut made it very clear from day one that he wasn't interested in being the HC here at that time.
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I would have taken decent/average the last 5 years.
 
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I really haven't been much of a Cutcliffe fan down through the years and didn't get all the adulation but the last couple of years I've caught a couple Duke games and what stands out is his guys really play hard. They appear disciplined and well-coached. Not great athleticism but the good coaching is evident.
 
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I'm not sure what point some of you are trying to make. Obviously we all would have rather had "pull a name out of a hat" as our coach over Kiffin/Dooley but whats done is done. Cutcliffe has done a nice job with one winning record in six years at Duke but he's never going to be the head coach at the University of Tennessee.

I would take James Franklin over Cutcliffe. Debate that................

**This isn't directed towards you Sandvol**
 
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Sandvol said:
I really haven't been much of a Cutcliffe fan down through the years and didn't get all the adulation but the last couple of years I've caught a couple Duke games and what stands out is his guys really play hard. They appear disciplined and well-coached. Not great athleticism but the good coaching is evident.
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I agree and Cut has a good QB that can run and throw. Brandon Connette is a 3 star from California who had no other offers. He has a combined 25 touchdowns this year.

If we had a solid experienced dual threat QB this year we would have been a much better team. Duh I know
 
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