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I think its time to seriously consider signing Puig to an extension. Dude is absolutely smashing the ball as of late: has a 2 run homer and now a double.

Fans love him and the team loves him. If they can afford him, sign him, because he is a quality player.

What's up with hitting Senzel 5th and 6th lately? That's just dumb. He's their fastest baserunner who is getting on base reasonably well for a rookie. They tend to score more as team when he is at LO. Bell makes some really silly moves at times.
 
Thumped twice by a much better team. Reality check for the FO to keep making moves. 5/9 in that key stretch is not going to get them over .500. The schedule is brutal until the last week of August. Scooter doesn't have his stroke yet. Suarez is off. Votto is not a factor with power/RBI's. Winker has not regained his stroke and they don't play Ervin even though his slash is .286/.352/.469. Senzel got dinged today, but it doesn't appear seriously. It appears the pen is burned out from all the use early on.

So they need Wood to do something for his paycheck this season and Scooter to regain form. Dietrich is done for the most part, can't hit a breaking pitch and everybody knows it. They need to go get that "controllable hitter" and some help for the pen.
 
Bell finally fills out a line-up/batting order card correctly. Result - 17 runs and 24 hits. Even with it being in Colorado - that's impressive.

Nick at LO - 4/5 with a BB. Finally plays Ervin and bats him correctly at #5. Responds with a 6/6. FWIW, Puig is looking awesome at clean-up.

It's not hard.

You can afford to let Roark blow up and Hernandez blow it again with real hitters in the line-up in the correct order who can score the runs. It's been awhile since I've seen a quality reliever totally lose it like Hernandez - but he has. 6.52 ERA and climbing.
 
Bad Bell again. Leaves Mahle in long enough to hang 10 runs on him - 6 of them earned in less than 5 IP. Lose 10-9. No feel for the game - again.
 
The Athletics bolstered their beleaguered rotation by acquiring right-hander Homer Bailey from the Kansas City Royals, Oakland announced Sunday.
Bailey, 33, has experienced something of a renaissance in 2019, posting his highest strikeout rate in more than half a decade to go along with a 7-6 record and 4.80 ERA -- his best number in that category since 2014. His numbers have also improved over the past month and a half, as he went 3-1 with a 3.48 ERA in June and had a 3.60 ERA in July.
 
The Athletics bolstered their beleaguered rotation by acquiring right-hander Homer Bailey from the Kansas City Royals, Oakland announced Sunday.
Bailey, 33, has experienced something of a renaissance in 2019, posting his highest strikeout rate in more than half a decade to go along with a 7-6 record and 4.80 ERA -- his best number in that category since 2014. His numbers have also improved over the past month and a half, as he went 3-1 with a 3.48 ERA in June and had a 3.60 ERA in July.

Wish him well. He fell from potential star into the dumpster as fast as anybody I have ever seen.
 
Nice W against the Cubbies last night. Castillo gutted it out despite not having any control. Lorezen/Iggy shut the door. Clutch hitting by the lesser publicized and the Cubs helped with as bad of fielding miscues as our guys had. Good Bell was back. Didn't give up on Castillo and had good feel for when to take Lorenzen out.
 
That series against Colorado was beyond insane and I'm willing to overlook that. Big opening game win against the Cubs last night, picked up a game on the division. I've said it before and will say it again, the Reds need to get serious about signing Puig I love the guy in a Reds uniform. Also another guy that has come up big from the Dodgers trade is Kyle Farmer, I didn't really expect much from him but he has turned into a PH genius (9 for 31, 4 R, 3 2Bs, 1 HR, 6 RBIs, 1 BB, and 1 SB as a PH w/ a .290/.313/.484 line which is tied for 5th in all of MLB). As we get closer to the deadline if we are serious about making a push for the playoffs we have to add someone to the pen and maybe look at adding another catcher IMO. Curt is a decent one but he left the game last night late with a minor injury (said he could've played through it in an emergency) but I really don't want to be left with a guy who has only caught 5 MLB games (Farmer).
 
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That series against Colorado was beyond insane and I'm willing to overlook that. Big opening game win against the Cubs last night, picked up a game on the division. I've said it before and will say it again, the Reds need to get serious about signing Puig I love the guy in a Reds uniform. Also another guy that has come up big from the Dodgers trade is Kyle Farmer, I didn't really expect much from him but he has turned into a PH genius (9 for 31, 4 R, 3 2Bs, 1 HR, 6 RBIs, 1 BB, and 1 SB as a PH w/ a .290/.313/.484 line which is tied for 5th in all of MLB). As we get closer to the deadline if we are serious about making a push for the playoffs we have to add someone to the pen and maybe look at adding another catcher IMO. Curt is a decent one but he left the game last night late with a minor injury (said he could've played through it in an emergency) but I really don't want to be left with a guy who has only caught 5 MLB games (Farmer).

Agree completely. Sign Puig if at all possible. The Reds have always been a great org for latinos. He brings life to the team and fan base. Farmer is valuable and has more upside/value than Dietrich IMO. Keep him. The catching situation is not good. They tried to address it preseason and failed. Better team/roster this season, so they may be able to entice a good one to sign if they don't get one in trade. Having DJ turn the pitching around like he has will help attract as well.

Bad Bell was back with the dumb batting order. He had the highest BA, fastest player in the order last night hitting 6th (Senzel) with slow Winker back at LO. This is the exact opposite it should be. Shouldn't even be a discussion. So what happens, they score 3 in the first inning with Nick providing a hit/RBI. Then nothing. Same as it has been for the past few weeks when Bell does the order this way, they score 3 runs or less. Senzel is a contact guy with speed. You don't hit guys like that, Iglesias is another, at the back end of the order to drive in runs while losing an AB in many games. You get them more AB's and on base to score runs and advance runners. Dumb beyond words.

FWIW Suarez is rapidly reaching Todd Frazier territory. He has totally sold out to the HR instead of being a hitter. Bad managing/coaching allows that to happen.
 
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My opinion on the #Reds at the #TradeDeadline is that we should now be sellers. Yes we are still within reach of the division and Wild Card but let's face it, we aren't pulling off either sadly. I love these guys but once again we was living in Fantasy Land.
 
Bell - again. He doesn't realize you pull a starter after 5 IP and around 100 pitches when he lets two runners on base. He doesn't get that you do the same or quicker when putting out a fire with the pen. Kind of basic unless you have a Rivera in the pen. He doesn't get it. Been happening all season and they have a million one run losses to show for it.
 
Bell - again. He doesn't realize you pull a starter after 5 IP and around 100 pitches when he lets two runners on base. He doesn't get that you do the same or quicker when putting out a fire with the pen. Kind of basic unless you have a Rivera in the pen. He doesn't get it. Been happening all season and they have a million one run losses to show for it.

Bell got ejected before the 2nd inning started.
 
Bell got ejected before the 2nd inning started.

My mistake - you are correct for that game. Yet, he's done it all season. When a reliever gives up 2-5 runs of his own to go with adding more on the SP, he's in too long. I see where he finally figured out Hernandez's arm/shoulder was dead and put him on the DL.
 
Being bored, I went back and looked at the results of the schedule this year and picked an arbitrary number of 6 runs scored in games by our guys. I used 6 because the highest scoring teams most years average around 5.5 give or take.

Our guys are #26 in scoring averaging 4.3-4.4. They have scored 6 or more runs in 25 games, going 20-5. The other 72 games they have scored 5 or less and their record is 24-48. When you consider there were 14 games when they scored 9 or more runs, their paltry average per game looks even worse. This team simply cannot score consistently and they are wasting a team pitching ERA improvement from 4.63 last season to 3.86 (#5) so far this season. There is still a positive runs scored average over ERA of .5 give or take per game. Which points to the 14 high scoring games of 9 runs or more (17 in one) that have skewed the average. If they had been consistent on O this team should be at .500 or better instead of the 44-53 we see now.
 
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So since we have eliminated our self from any postseason dreams in less than 2 weeks since the All Star break who do you think is dealt?
 
So since we have eliminated our self from any postseason dreams in less than 2 weeks since the All Star break who do you think is dealt?

They are 9 days away from the deadline and MLBTR is not even speculating. I know what I would do, however, I'm just an idiot fan.

1) Raisel Iglesias. I think Garrett and Lorenzen as lefty/righty can handle the role just fine for a team just wanting to hit .500 W/L. They could become version 2.0 of the Nasty Boys if the club committed to it and possibly add a third to the group depending on who steps up. Since Wood is about ready as an SP, I would roll Mahle into long relief. That way he can spot start and be ready as a potential SP next season. Sims looks like somebody they need on the staff.

2) I would already know if Puig was signable. If unlikely, he would be on the trade block.

3) Dietrich as a trade enhancer subject to the Puig decision. I would retain Peraza for utility subject to the Iglesias decision at SS. Ervin in the OF rotation. Play the guy, he can hit.

4) Roark if he is not signable on a reasonable deal. Innings eater #4/#5 SP. You can do better, you can do worse.

5) I know this is not popular except with a handful of analysts - Suarez. Controllable starter for a buyer. They have Senzel who can step into the 3B role Day One as his natural position and the IF D improves immediately. So the issue would become who is in CF, which would need to be in a trade as at least a transitional player until the farm can develop one that's ready. You almost need to retain Puig for this to work due to the loss of power trading Suarez unless you pick up at least one power hitter in your trades. It unlocks a future log jam on the farm.

Disco could be dangled, but I'm becoming intrigued by what DJ can do with him. If he develops a true "out" pitch he's a keeper as the #3 SP.

As much as this team likes each other as teammates, they are not gelling on the field at all. Hitting and defense are below mid-peer through 97 games.

I'm curious what you and others think.
 
They are 9 days away from the deadline and MLBTR is not even speculating. I know what I would do, however, I'm just an idiot fan.

1) Raisel Iglesias. I think Garrett and Lorenzen as lefty/righty can handle the role just fine for a team just wanting to hit .500 W/L. They could become version 2.0 of the Nasty Boys if the club committed to it and possibly add a third to the group depending on who steps up. Since Wood is about ready as an SP, I would roll Mahle into long relief. That way he can spot start and be ready as a potential SP next season. Sims looks like somebody they need on the staff.

2) I would already know if Puig was signable. If unlikely, he would be on the trade block.

3) Dietrich as a trade enhancer subject to the Puig decision. I would retain Peraza for utility subject to the Iglesias decision at SS. Ervin in the OF rotation. Play the guy, he can hit.

4) Roark if he is not signable on a reasonable deal. Innings eater #4/#5 SP. You can do better, you can do worse.

5) I know this is not popular except with a handful of analysts - Suarez. Controllable starter for a buyer. They have Senzel who can step into the 3B role Day One as his natural position and the IF D improves immediately. So the issue would become who is in CF, which would need to be in a trade as at least a transitional player until the farm can develop one that's ready. You almost need to retain Puig for this to work due to the loss of power trading Suarez unless you pick up at least one power hitter in your trades. It unlocks a future log jam on the farm.

Disco could be dangled, but I'm becoming intrigued by what DJ can do with him. If he develops a true "out" pitch he's a keeper as the #3 SP.

As much as this team likes each other as teammates, they are not gelling on the field at all. Hitting and defense are below mid-peer through 97 games.

I'm curious what you and others think.

I'll post my 2 cents on your posts.

1.) Agree 110% on Raisel Iglesia. I'm done with him as a fan. I agree that the Lorenzen/Garrett combo can handle the 7th inning on especially being a LHP/RHP combo. I feel comfortable with them handling the late innings of games nightly. The middle inning guys is where our bullpen issues lay outside of getting rid of Iglesias. Hernandez is in a REAL bad funk, Stephenson has turned a corner, and I have been saying for two seasons to put Mahle in the pen. I like Mahle's stuff but he his a high pitch count guy that is not going to get you thru 6 innings on most nights. His stuff is better suited for the bullpen at this point of his career. If we can get another starter I like putting Wood in the pen also. One issue with Rasiel is his trade value is sinking fast. Would have to include Puig, Scooter/Dietrich or someone else in the deal to get much right now.

2.) Love Puig and have heard from many "unofficial" sources that he LOVES Cincy. Of all of our impending FA's he my #1 target to lock up if possible. Management has to know if they're doing their job if they can resign him after the season. If it's less than a 70% chance you have to move him at the deadline sadly.

3.) LOVE DD and he's was one of the biggest reasons we were "in the race" in the first half but he's cooled off big time and we have good options at 2B with Peraza/Scooter/Senzel

4.) Roark should be dealt. SP is going to be a premium at the deadline and he could land some decent return in a deal.

5.) Was very interested in your Suarez post. Reason for that is I've been a fan of trading him at the deadline EVEN when we was in the race. Like you said we could move him and land a small lottery in return. Move Senzel to 3B, Peraza at SS (I think we deal Jose Iglesuias and Scooter at 2nd. In the next year or two at most we will see Trammell in the OF with the combination of Puig/Winker/Irvin/Siri/ and maybe someone that returns in a deal. Suarez & Luis Castillo is our "lottery tickets" available for cashing. I'd rather deal Geno than Castillo but they aren't going to deal either.

6.) Disco is one of the most intriguing pieces of the deadline/future. I'm pretty much ok on whatever they decide to do with Disco at this point.

I think there is an above average chance these guys get dealt: Jose Iglesias, Jared Hughes, David Hernadez, Jonathan India, Dietrick
 
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