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#13,178
Burhead said:
Honestly I would have moved on from Bell too and start over completely.
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Yeah, that would be OK too but I think they've got to get some semblance of an organization first. I mean you're not going to get Maddon or Girardi to sign up to join this mess
 
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Sea Ray said:
Yeah, that would be OK too but I think they've got to get some semblance of an organization first. I mean you're not going to get Maddon or Girardi to sign up to join this mess
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I agree. This is a 3-4 year rebuild since they are going on the cheap. Pointless to move on from Bell yet. Put him to use on the rebuild. You can let him go later if the coaching staff sucks.
 
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#13,182
Burhead said:


Okay I know Farm Dawg isn't a superstar but damn I'm pissed.
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More team bullshiz. Move a proven performer to get a prospect of whom they will eff up the development and then bring in a guy that cannot start or stay healthy from another bottom feeder to take his place. Classic Reds FO move. I wish they would just tell the truth and say it was a small salary dump with Farmer about to get a pay raise in arbitration.

This club has zero plans to compete anytime soon.
 
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Vols4us said:
Cracks me up...

Who could back up Stephenson at catcher?

The dumbazzes could have simply kept either of the top two choices on that list, who already knew the pitchers and pitching coaches well. Both wanted to stay. But this org has no idea how to win and apparently does not care.
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Just saw a bit ago that we've had some talks with Barnhart on a reunion and I had to do a double take to make sure I was reading that right.
 
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Burhead said:
Just saw a bit ago that we've had some talks with Barnhart on a reunion and I had to do a double take to make sure I was reading that right.
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Yep, waiting on him to see if he can get a starting gig somewhere first. If he can't, they will probably bring him back. Which I would love.

FWIW, AA signed in Japan.
 
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What's ahead for Reds at Winter Meetings?

Payroll summary
Krall has stated he has been given a little payroll flexibility this winter to make the club’s needed moves, but the Reds will be open next season with a much lower figure than the $114 million budget they had on 2022 Opening Day.
“Now it’s, 'How can we continue to improve this club with the money we’ve got left to spend?,'” Krall said.
Once the contracts of Joey Votto and Moustakas expire after the 2023 season, the club will have no players under multi-year contracts going into 2024.
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Just pisses me off that we have an owner that doesn't care about winning given the proud history of this franchise. I wonder if the Castellini family may not be thinking about selling the team in 2024 or 2025 when they no longer have any long term, money rich contracts to make it more appealing to a new owner?
 
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#13,187
As a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, I would say that were are in the same boat.

I don't think that Pittsburgh baseball can survive another three years of Nutting.
 
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Burhead said:
Our "big" FA signings are Curt Casali and Wil Myers....
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It gets Stephenson to the plate more often and saves some wear and tear at catching. He can also DH. They will have both Myers and Stephenson available to sub at 1B if Votto can't go or needs a day off.

What was dumb was letting Casali go before last season. Could have avoided the mess at C.
 
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Duno is 3-4 years away at best. But looks like he has the tools. Cruz is the one to watch, not later than 2024. Looks like the team may hit a playoff competitive window from 2025-2028 if the FO doesn't mess it up as they usually do.

I don't care one way or the other, but you cannot exclude players and managers from the HOF if you allow juicers, druggies, spit ballers, etc. as players as well as managers who benefitted from their performances in. You can do it, but it turns the Hall into a charade - fake - meaningless.

So, are there any in the Hall that fit that later description? Yep. there are players in the Hall that just did not get caught juicing and drugging, or were inducted before the time it became a point of emphasis in the rules. There are pitchers in the Hall that used illegal pitches - spitballs, tobacco juiced and scuffed balls - as an example. They were tossed from games by umps when they could prove it. In the Hall, though. Most of the players that gambled were smarter in how they did it than Rose - but they are in the Hall. There are two dozen managers in the Hall that benefited from all of their performances. So Sparky Anderson should not be a HOF manager since he benefitted from having Pete Rose on his club? Ridiculous.

JMO - the criteria to enter the Hall is the primary problem because honest enforcement of the rules and their changing nature over time deters from the honesty of the selection. Want to make it honest - make it solely based on performance and not subject to how the rules were enforced in that era. The juicers get in to go with the spit ballers and even some gamblers. Rose's entire playing career until the period in which he was documented to be gambling against the rules would be considered in my view. Was Barry Bonds a HOFer before the evidence accumulated that he had juiced? If he was, he would be in.

They use "character" as a qualifier, yet, it is subjective to the people voting at that time. Curt Schilling is not "woke", so he's out. Curt should be in or out based on performance criteria used during the time he played. I personally don't care one way or the other. I just want it an honest assessment and vote.

How do you let a manager in that used players that violated the rules? Did the manager look the other way, did he know? Do you have evidence he had to know from drug tests or documents that showed he knew about gambling. Did he know his pitchers were spit balling or cutting the hide on the ball? It goes on and on.

Get real or it will just be the usual BS, with it continuing to be just BS as the likely outcome.
 
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2025 is an awfully long time to wait for Reds fans, given their past. I don't know how many fans will be left by then. I think they need to strive to come close to .500 this year and contend next year. Mind you, contending nowadays merely means playing slightly better than .500 ball. These 90-100 loss seasons needs to end.

In order for this rebuild strategy to work, they're going to have to have good people running it, from the front office to the scouts to the coaches developing these players. I pray they do but I'm not not impressed with the nepotism in this organization and that includes giving preference to people with Cincinnati ties. I don't care about Cin ties. I want the best people. I'm bothered by their cutting the cord on the Driveline strategy before it came to full fruition.
 
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Sea Ray said:
2025 is an awfully long time to wait for Reds fans, given their past. I don't know how many fans will be left by then. I think they need to strive to come close to .500 this year and contend next year. Mind you, contending nowadays merely means playing slightly better than .500 ball. These 90-100 loss seasons needs to end.

In order for this rebuild strategy to work, they're going to have to have good people running it, from the front office to the scouts to the coaches developing these players. I pray they do but I'm not not impressed with the nepotism in this organization and that includes giving preference to people with Cincinnati ties. I don't care about Cin ties. I want the best people. I'm bothered by their cutting the cord on the Driveline strategy before it came to full fruition.
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The nepotism thing has been an issue forever. Incestuous. It has inbred stupidity.

It's still just baseball and if you don't have solid baseball guys making the right decisions starting with the scouting through development, you get what you get. Which is no playoffs.
 
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