Dabo dumps on Tennessee AGAIN!

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sjt18 said:
PS- as a coach, he's in trouble. He might want to make sure his faith is ready to carry him through some hard times. UT is rising. UF is recruiting better. UNC along with UT and others is cutting off talent from NC. USCe is more competitive in SC. They've drawn some players from TN that aren't heading that way now. His attempt to take the "moral high ground" (I disagree with his perspective) on the portal and NIL has left him with his recruiting foundation crumbling and nowhere to go.

The funny thing is that if he had supported NIL from the start... IPTAY probably would have funded one of the biggest collectives in the country.
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Parallel your narrative to Fulmer's demise. Very similar. But, his point about fans who don't appreciate what has been accomplished is spot on. He earned his salary. He's earned respect. Fans that spew disrespect are a big part of the problem, as it most certainly was when Fulmer was railroaded.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Parallel your narrative to Fulmer's demise. Very similar. But, his point about fans who don't appreciate what has been accomplished is spot on. He earned his salary. He's earned respect. Fans that spew disrespect are a big part of the problem, as it most certainly was when Fulmer was railroaded.
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Fulmer wasn't railroaded at all. He had let the program descend to circa '95 Nebraska Cornhuskers level. They don't call it the FULMER CUP for nothing.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Parallel your narrative to Fulmer's demise. Very similar. But, his point about fans who don't appreciate what has been accomplished is spot on. He earned his salary. He's earned respect. Fans that spew disrespect are a big part of the problem, as it most certainly was when Fulmer was railroaded.
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Fulmer railroaded? That's laughable
 
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LAVol1 said:
Parallel your narrative to Fulmer's demise. Very similar. But, his point about fans who don't appreciate what has been accomplished is spot on. He earned his salary. He's earned respect. Fans that spew disrespect are a big part of the problem, as it most certainly was when Fulmer was railroaded.
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Oh good grief. Fulmer wasn't railroaded. He got complacent and much like Dabo refused to change when the game evolved. We should appreciate the great times Fulmer had but that does not justify denial of his decline and ultimate fall... or the prime cause which was HIS EGO and nothing else.

Dabo is going the same route though. He's trying to fight a tidal wave with a boat paddle... and is losing.
 
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sjt18 said:
Oh good grief. Fulmer wasn't railroaded. He got complacent and much like Dabo refused to change when the game evolved. We should appreciate the great times Fulmer had but that does not justify denial of his decline and ultimate fall... or the prime cause which was HIS EGO and nothing else.

Dabo is going the same route though. He's trying to fight a tidal wave with a boat paddle... and is losing.
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Get your facts straight. He did change, making a great hire in Dave Clausen as OC but Hamilton, the Haslams and the fanbase didn't give the hire a chance, railroading Fulmer out before the end of Clausen's first season. As it turned out, Clausen was a great offensive coach, leading second-tier programs (Western KY and Wake Forrest) to great seasons. They just didn't give the change in OC time to play out and 15 years of misery followed.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Get your facts straight. He did change, making a great hire in Dave Clausen as OC but Hamilton, the Haslams and the fanbase didn't give the hire a chance, railroading Fulmer out before the end of Clausen's first season. As it turned out, Clausen was a great offensive coach, leading second-tier programs (Western KY and Wake Forrest) to great seasons. They just didn't give the change in OC time to play out and 15 years of misery followed.
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But, it is on Fulmer in that he lorded over the offensive play calling. He made his own bed.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Get your facts straight. He did change, making a great hire in Dave Clausen as OC but Hamilton, the Haslams and the fanbase didn't give the hire a chance, railroading Fulmer out before the end of Clausen's first season. As it turned out, Clausen was a great offensive coach, leading second-tier programs (Western KY and Wake Forrest) to great seasons. They just didn't give the change in OC time to play out and 15 years of misery followed.
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I believe your point about Hamilton and Haslam is accurate. I also believe Fulmer didn’t allow Dave Clausen enough freedom to do his job, which is to 100% run his offense.
 
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One key fact is the ACC sucked during the Clemson golden age, it doesn't suck anymore and there is real competition so Clemson can't win like they did before. Clemson also just doesn't have a great QB like they did in the past with Deshaun Watson, Tajh Boyd, and Trevor Lawrence.

Hell, I think part of the reason Tennessee was so bad from 2017-2020 was the fact that Tennessee was effectively playing without a decent QB.
 
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Looking over it again, the guy just sounds desperate. Attacking your fans is a DUMBASS idea as they pay your salary. It sounds like Kathleen Kennedy approach to Star Wars fans lol.

What he should be focused on is what it takes to improve...
 
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EverythingOrange said:
touchdownwire.usatoday.com

Dabo Swinney had a prolonged rant in response to a young radio caller

Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney got hot under the collar in response to a radio question about his lost season.
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Yea, we're coming off our worst stretch and they are coming off their best (they just don't know the run is over). He should be proud that Clemson had such a good run. But I've never found any all-time rating method that puts Clemson over (or really even close) Tennessee in terms of historical greatness. If Heupel can have sustained success, then Clemson won't be able to cherry pick the best talent out of Tennessee and perhaps things will revert to the days when we used to routinely get the top talent out of South Carolina. Right now, Dabo is helping us (and others) in recruiting - keep the mic in his face and let him continue to talk down the NIL, transfer portal, etc.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Get your facts straight. He did change, making a great hire in Dave Clausen as OC but Hamilton, the Haslams and the fanbase didn't give the hire a chance, railroading Fulmer out before the end of Clausen's first season. As it turned out, Clausen was a great offensive coach, leading second-tier programs (Western KY and Wake Forrest) to great seasons. They just didn't give the change in OC time to play out and 15 years of misery followed.
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Get YOUR facts straight. Clawson tried to change the O. Fulmer tied his hands and ultimately micromanaged him to the point of complete dysfunction. As you point out, Clawson went on to be very successful as an offensive coach. Fulmer was fired and no one else wanted him.

Fulmer famously said, "We've won a lot of games around here doing what we're doing... and we ain't changing now".

Fulmer did it to Fulmer. Hamilton et al weren't good either. But Fulmer's refusal to evolve impacted recruiting also. Kiffin inherited ONE genuine DT when he took over. ONE. They played a DE at the other DT spot. He struggled to even sign OLs which had been his best niche. Fulmer declined and fell WAY behind guys like Saban and Meyer because he refused to change with the game.
 
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sjt18 said:
Clawson tried to change the O. Fulmer tied his hands and ultimately micromanaged him to the point of complete dysfunction.
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Not a fact but supposition by disgruntled fans. If you look at his record, it took more than a year for Clawson to get his offense going at every stop (see below). He didn't even get a year at UT. Fulmer committed to him but saw that the offense was struggling to implement Clawson's offense, fans were disgruntled with the lack of offensive production, so he unsuccessfully tried to salvage the season. The #1 act that led to the decade+ of dysfunction was firing Fulmer, and by extension, Clawson. We as Vol fans were spoiled by Fulmer's success. Kind of like where Dabo is right now. Fulmer didn't get the opportunity to turn things around, even though he earned it. Based on the way things turned out, do you really think the program benefited by firing Fulmer at that point in time?

1st year: Fordam 0-11
Richmond 3-8
Bowling Green 7-6, year 2: 2-10
WF 3-9, year 2: 3-9
 
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adam.vol said:
I believe your point about Hamilton and Haslam is accurate. I also believe Fulmer didn’t allow Dave Clausen enough freedom to do his job, which is to 100% run his offense.
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Clawson did not have success with his offense at any coaching stop in his first year, sometimes not even in his second year. It took time to implement or get the right personnel to run it. It clearly was not working in year one at UT, so Fulmer tried to salvage the year and failed.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Not a fact but supposition by disgruntled fans. If you look at his record, it took more than a year for Clawson to get his offense going at every stop (see below). He didn't even get a year at UT. Fulmer committed to him but saw that the offense was struggling to implement Clawson's offense, fans were disgruntled with the lack of offensive production, so he unsuccessfully tried to salvage the season. The #1 act that led to the decade+ of dysfunction was firing Fulmer, and by extension, Clawson. We as Vol fans were spoiled by Fulmer's success. Kind of like where Dabo is right now. Fulmer didn't get the opportunity to turn things around, even though he earned it. Based on the way things turned out, do you really think the program benefited by firing Fulmer at that point in time?

1st year: Fordam 0-11
Richmond 3-8
Bowling Green 7-6, year 2: 2-10
WF 3-9, year 2: 3-9
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Fulmer got a chance to turn it around. A lot of you forget about 2005 when we were absolutely loaded and went 5-6. 3 years later we went 5-7.
 
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LAVol1 said:
Get your facts straight. He did change, making a great hire in Dave Clausen as OC but Hamilton, the Haslams and the fanbase didn't give the hire a chance, railroading Fulmer out before the end of Clausen's first season. As it turned out, Clausen was a great offensive coach, leading second-tier programs (Western KY and Wake Forrest) to great seasons. They just didn't give the change in OC time to play out and 15 years of misery followed.
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The 15 years of misery was brought on by Fulmer himself. He had not a clue as to how to win a SEC Championship without David Cutcliff. If Fulmer was a very good coach he would have taken over the SEC after Spurrier left in 2001 but he floundered. Tennessee fell out of the competition arena with Alabama, Florida, and Georgia. Even South Carolina and Vandy starting beating us when we were recruiting top 10 and top 5 talent.
 
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