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#226
Grand Vol said:
Who would they get? Real question there. Most of the Representatives/Senators are wildly unpopular. There really isn't a Governor that's popular enough to challenge him except maybe Kasich and that already ended badly. I'm sure the Never-Trump crowd already wants to try that, but how did that end up for them last November?

If, big if, the economy keeps ticking upwards and he keeps his mouth shut, he should be in the catbird seat for 2020 with zero problems. He's been more Presidential in the last month than he was at the start. It's a steep learning curve, but with additions by subtraction in his Cabinet, he's seemingly managed to achieve a steady ship for the moment. Something that helps him in two more years when the campaigning starts.
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Haslam.
 
#229
#229
Grand Vol said:
Who would they get? Real question there. Most of the Representatives/Senators are wildly unpopular. There really isn't a Governor that's popular enough to challenge him except maybe Kasich and that already ended badly. I'm sure the Never-Trump crowd already wants to try that, but how did that end up for them last November?

If, big if, the economy keeps ticking upwards and he keeps his mouth shut, he should be in the catbird seat for 2020 with zero problems. He's been more Presidential in the last month than he was at the start. It's a steep learning curve, but with additions by subtraction in his Cabinet, he's seemingly managed to achieve a steady ship for the moment. Something that helps him in two more years when the campaigning starts.
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Don't kid yourself GV. Harvey and Irma have sucked up all the attention lately. It's pretty low bar to refrain from being an ass during two national disasters which he did manage.

However, just today he to pissed off our oldest and most reliable ally over the London attack. Trump will soon be back in the groove.
 
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MT LeConte said:
Don't kid yourself GV. Harvey and Irma have sucked up all the attention lately. It's pretty low bar to refrain from being an ass during two national disasters which he did manage.

However, just today he to pissed off our oldest and most reliable ally over the London attack. Trump will soon be back in the groove.
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Which doesn't answer the question.

Who would the GOP nominate and push instead of him?
 
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#232
"Haslam" sounds too much like "Islam."

Dems could comprehend that Barack Hussein Obama was not an amalgamation of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. But in the GOP I'm not sure the voters could get past the similarity in names. Haslam could therefore never win the nomination.
 
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lawgator1 said:
"Haslam" sounds too much like "Islam."

Dems could comprehend that Barack Hussein Obama was not an amalgamation of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. But in the GOP I'm not sure the voters could get past the similarity in names. Haslam could therefore never win the nomination.
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Haslam is a liberal, secret Muslim.
 
#234
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lawgator1 said:
"Haslam" sounds too much like "Islam."

Dems could comprehend that Barack Hussein Obama was not an amalgamation of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. But in the GOP I'm not sure the voters could get past the similarity in names. Haslam could therefore never win the nomination.
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Lol
 
#236
#236
Grand Vol said:
Oh, I thought you were joking since I was saying a popular Governor.

My bad.
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He's still pretty popular and the state is doing very well so yes, I could easily see him challenging Trump.

Personally, no thanks. I'll vote Jill Stein again.
 
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#237
hog88 said:
He's still pretty popular and the state is doing very well so yes, I could easily see him challenging Trump.

Personally, no thanks. I'll vote Jill Stein again.
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Don't see it happening personally.

The Never Trump crowd will screech and cry once again, but let's face it, the breakdown goes like this:

40% of people will vote against him even if the DNC ticket included Hitler and Ghengis Khan as VP.

40% of people will vote for Trump because of the (R) beside his name.

10% of people vote with their wallet and their wallet is looking pretty good about right now. Get rid of the ACA and their wallets will look even better.

5% of people vote for a single item which could go either way.

5% of people vote because they believe what the candidate is saying and/or are voting against the system by going 3rd party.

Anyway, I'm sure it's happened, but I'd bet it's extremely rare a party goes against the incumbent at that level. And I really don't see the GOP going against the grain. I could be wrong though.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Don't see it happening personally.

The Never Trump crowd will screech and cry once again, but let's face it, the breakdown goes like this:

40% of people will vote against him even if the DNC ticket included Hitler and Ghengis Khan as VP.

40% of people will vote for Trump because of the (R) beside his name.

10% of people vote with their wallet and their wallet is looking pretty good about right now. Get rid of the ACA and their wallets will look even better.

5% of people vote for a single item which could go either way.

5% of people vote because they believe what the candidate is saying and/or are voting against the system by going 3rd party.

Anyway, I'm sure it's happened, but I'd bet it's extremely rare a party goes against the incumbent at that level. And I really don't see the GOP going against the grain. I could be wrong though.
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Trump hasn't even been in office for a year yet and you guys are talking about the next presidential election.

Three years from now we'll know what kind of shape the country is in and the country will vote with their wallets.
 
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VolStrom said:
Trump hasn't even been in office for a year yet and you guys are talking about the next presidential election.

Three years from now we'll know what kind of shape the country is in and the country will vote with their wallets.
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2020 campaign will start next year.
 
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#240
VolStrom said:
Trump hasn't even been in office for a year yet and you guys are talking about the next presidential election.

Three years from now we'll know what kind of shape the country is in and the country will vote with their wallets.
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We like to think the country votes with its wallets, but let's face facts here, 80% of the voters will vote party line regardless of the person. The ACA is hammering people and yet, Hillary still took the popular vote even if she did swear to continue it. That's not a Trump turnoff, that's party line voting.
 
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Grand Vol said:
We like to think the country votes with its wallets, but let's face facts here, 80% of the voters will vote party line regardless of the person. The ACA is hammering people and yet, Hillary still took the popular vote even if she did swear to continue it. That's not a Trump turnoff, that's party line voting.
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Correct.

Anyway I seriously don't think Trump runs for a second term.
 
#242
#242
hog88 said:
Correct.

Anyway I seriously don't think Trump runs for a second term.
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Well, according to luther, he won't get that chance.

Though I stand by my remarks he's doing better as of late. Kelly has been good with the shakeup.
 
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#243
#243
Grand Vol said:
Well, according to luther, he won't get that chance.

Though I stand by my remarks he's doing better as of late. Kelly has been good with the shakeup.
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Luther is well he's Luther.

If congress would get off their azzes Trump could do a lot of good.
 
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hog88 said:
Luther is well he's Luther.

If congress would get off their azzes Trump could do a lot of good.
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He's showing them the way. Learn to deal with the other side and compromise. Something that's been sadly missing the past 10 years or so.
 
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#245
Grand Vol said:
Well, according to luther, he won't get that chance.

Though I stand by my remarks he's doing better as of late. Kelly has been good with the shakeup.
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Yeah! Trump is in the last year of his Presidency!












OOPS..maybe not!

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#248
#248
Ok, I think this ruling should reinforce the idea that the judicial branch is out of control. The judges reasoning behind his ruling is ridiculous, by that standard no federal program can be ended.

Alsup considered five separate lawsuits filed in Northern California, including one by the California and three other states, and another by the governing board of the University of California school system.

"DACA covers a class of immigrants whose presence, seemingly all agree, pose the least, if any, threat and allows them to sign up for honest labor on the condition of continued good behavior," Alsup wrote in his decision. "This has become an important program for DACA recipients and their families, for the employers who hire them, for our tax treasuries, and for our economy."

That echoed the judge's comments from a court hearing on Dec. 20, when he grilled an attorney for the Department of Justice over the government's justification for ending DACA, saying many people had come to rely on it and faced a "real" and "palpable" hardship from its loss.
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Judge blocks Trump decision to end young immigrant program - news - att.net
 
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#249
#249
funny that they don't consider the real and palpable hardship from other programs before they get implemented.
 
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