Dave Hart Mr. Controversy

#30
#30
No reason we couldn't unite and Lady Vols women's team keep Lady Vols and men keep Vols. Women teams don't have to be called Vols it could still all be under the same Athletic Department.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 7 people
#31
#31
gule said:
looks like some of the posters here are scared of women too?
Click to expand...

No one is scared of women.most people are practical and see the turnaround in what makes money and really represents the school on a national level.

Hint: it's not a bunch of overweight chicks jogging up the floor for layups
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#32
#32
Orange Maniac said:
If you think that, then you are truly clueless as to what the Lady Vols brand is and what it stands for.
Click to expand...

Nobody outside TN cares or generally even knows the difference. It's a throwback to the way things were in the 70s. We won't lose a single recruit over it and no significant support of the programs will fail due to the change.

A statistically insignificant group of traditionalists with bristle, b1tch, and moan about change, but will still follow the Vols. Crap, a few people are still buying vinyl records to listening to them on analog tube systems. In 3 years people will have to think hard to remember that this even happened.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#33
#33
It has nothing to do with money sports that make money will continue to make money. Sports that do not will continue that way. The problem is why have Lady Vols basketball and not Lady Vols softball, etc. It makes no sense to separate one women's team from the other. All women teams should remain Lady Vols which would have nothing to do with having one athletic department.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 6 people
#34
#34
Everyone has their good and their bad. It seems to me that there is more good in Harts leadership then bad. I wish Hart had not decided to take The Lady Vol name from women's sports, however, if this is the worse thing he does we will be okay. I do believe that several of us would be up in arms if the Lady Vol name was taken from the women's basketball program. With that in mind it is easy to understand why fans, players and former players of other women's sports are upset. Sometimes it is difficult to give up history, especially when it is seen as part of one's DNA.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#35
#35
gule said:
looks like some of the posters here are scared of women too?
Click to expand...

Disagree that a man should be fired...a man who has done a good job, but dared streamline our brand in line with the real world, and I'm suddenly terrified of my daughter? Gotcha. :thumbsup:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#36
#36
Orange Maniac said:
If you think that, then you are truly clueless as to what the Lady Vols brand is and what it stands for.
Click to expand...

It should stand for the University of TN the same way the UT logo represents our track, swimming, baseball, football, soccer, and Men's basketball teams.

This is an effort to simplify branding and not an attack on women's sports.

BTW, I think Hart is doing a great job and I honestly have no idea what Cheek does or doesn't do so I can't really comment on him.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#37
#37
Hart should have let the athletes decide if they want to be Ladies or Vols. I think it would have overwhelmingly been Lady Vols. I think Hart has done some great things here no reason to cause a lot of controversy over a name. If like the article says they are making women wear men's shoes that is to much to take. I can't really believe that is true. Overall it is a name that has been at this University for 40 years. I am not against one athletic department. That I think is the way to go. No reason we can't have two names one for women and one for men. Totally ridiculous to think that can't happen without destroying the unity of the University of Tennessee and it's sports programs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 5 people
#38
#38
finn said:
It should stand for the University of TN the same way the UT logo represents our track, swimming, baseball, football, soccer, and Men's basketball teams.

This is an effort to simplify branding and not an attack on women's sports.

BTW, I think Hart is doing a great job and I honestly have no idea what Cheek does or doesn't do so I can't really comment on him.
Click to expand...

Since Hart was hired, Cheek has been practically muted/neutralized...another bullet point for our AD. :clapping:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 4 people
#39
#39
gule said:
looks like some of the posters here are scared of women too?
Click to expand...

Happly married 25 years in two weeks. You darn straight ... I'm scared!:yikes:

Speaking of "women's issues". I stopped reading this propaganda after paragraph #2. Did you notice that a group mentioned as gathering for "WOMENS ISSUES" were gathered for abortion "RIGHTS". Let me seeeee, those not for "abortion rights" would therefore be on the other side of uhhhhh. Yeah.

Typical Marxist media. The guy probably doesn't even realize what he said, his bias is so ingrained. If he is this biased as a "reporter" then I'm not interested in his "report" on what's happening with "womens issues" two hours east. :no:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#40
#40
Volfan2012 said:
Hart should have let the athletes decide if they want to be Ladies or Vols. I think it would have overwhelmingly been Lady Vols. I think Hart has done some great things here no reason to cause a lot of controversy over a name. If like the article says they are making women wear men's shoes that is to much to take. I can't really believe that is true. Overall it is a name that has been at this University for 40 years. I am not against one athletic department. That I think is the way to go. No reason we can't have two names one for women and one for men. Totally ridiculous to think that can't happen without destroying the unity of the University of Tennessee and it's sports programs.
Click to expand...

Bet the football team votes for some gangsta cryll on their jerseys...like Volzzzz...you're onto something playa! :salute:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#41
#41
VolFaninV said:
No one is scared of women.most people are practical and see the turnaround in what makes money and really represents the school on a national level.

Hint: it's not a bunch of overweight chicks jogging up the floor for layups
Click to expand...

1) Scared of women probably isn't the most apropos phrasing. I liken in more to the "men's men" who only find their own personal validation in the men's teams at UT being intimidated by a women's program that has been -- and continues to be -- far more successful than any of the men's teams.

2) What people find "practical," what "makes money," and what is enjoyable aren't always the same. They can be, and often are, mutually exclusive. When discussing higher education, athletics programs aren't necessarily "practical," period. The practicality for colleges and universities is found in academic programs, not athletics. Athletics form a nice add-on and a great revenue source, but at the end of the day, any given university's athletics program is (or should be) fully secondary to the academic program. Likewise, while it may be true that football and, to a smaller extent, men's basketball, bring in more revenue, the fact is, not everyone enjoys football or men's basketball. I don't like to watch football and, to be frank, find much of men's basketball to be borderline unwatchable. Those are my opinions and I recognize that not everyone shares them. However, your opinions are not in any way more valid than mine. Opinions are opinions. We all have them, and they are only truly important to those who hold them. That said, while I wish much success to the football team and the men's basketball program, I'm never going to spend my time or money actually going to watch those teams.

3) To insinuate that the Lady Vols basketball program does not represent UT at the national level is monumentally absurd. I would argue that the women's basketball program is UT's most universally recognizable and respected athletics program. Period. The Lady Vols brand is recognized nationwide and beyond primarily because of the success of the women's basketball program, and is one of the primary reasons why the brand should remain, and not just for basketball, but all women's teams at the university. The fact is, if you want to point to the one athletic program that has done more to bring national recognition and accolades to the university, there is no contest. It's women's basketball.

4) What the hell are you on about "overweight chicks" running down the floor for a layup? I can't think of one member of the women's team that is anything approaching "overweight." That's completely disrespectful to women in general; it makes it seem as if a woman's looks are the only thing that you consider validating about her. You're ridiculous.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 7 people
#42
#42
ivyleague said:
1) Scared of women probably isn't the most apropos phrasing. I liken in more to the "men's men" who only find their own personal validation in the men's teams at UT being intimidated by a women's program that has been -- and continues to be -- far more successful than any of the men's teams.

2) What people find "practical," what "makes money," and what is enjoyable aren't always the same. They can be, and often are, mutually exclusive. When discussing higher education, athletics programs aren't necessarily "practical," period. The practicality for colleges and universities is found in academic programs, not athletics. Athletics form a nice add-on and a great revenue source, but at the end of the day, any given university's athletics program is (or should be) fully secondary to the academic program. Likewise, while it may be true that football and, to a smaller extent, men's basketball, bring in more revenue, the fact is, not everyone enjoys football or men's basketball. I don't like to watch football and, to be frank, find much of men's basketball to be borderline unwatchable. Those are my opinions and I recognize that not everyone shares them. However, your opinions are not in any way more valid than mine. Opinions are opinions. We all have them, and they are only truly important to those who hold them. That said, while I wish much success to the football team and the men's basketball program, I'm never going to spend my time or money actually going to watch those teams.

3) To insinuate that the Lady Vols basketball program does not represent UT at the national level is monumentally absurd. I would argue that the women's basketball program is UT's most universally recognizable and respected athletics program. Period. The Lady Vols brand is recognized nationwide and beyond primarily because of the success of the women's basketball program, and is one of the primary reasons why the brand should remain, and not just for basketball, but all women's teams at the university. The fact is, if you want to point to the one athletic program that has done more to bring national recognition and accolades to the university, there is no contest. It's women's basketball.
Click to expand...

.
 
Last edited:
#43
#43
Volsfaninva917 said:
Dave Hart is fixing everything that is wrong with athletics at Tennessee, I'm getting tired of all the crying over a name. You play for the University of Tennessee so you are a Volunteer and if you can't accept that pick a different school. I cant stand "lady vol" fans that only support the womens basketball program you guys come across really arrogant. Stop the PC crap, stop the crying get over it or get out.:hi:
Click to expand...
It's amazing to me the number of people that feel threatened by women or women's sports. I support all sports at UT. I make it to whatever I can that involves UT sports. I don't want to get over it or get out. I want Hart to leave well enough alone and don't screw up a good thing. It would help if he would stop lying to everyone about it also. I don't know why he insists on this agenda he is on but he needs to put it back the way it was.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#44
#44
keckjm said:
Yea, Hart doesn't need to go anywhere. Tyndall and Butch are great hires. He's cleaning up the campus, and he's getting us out of debt. The Lady Vols issue is getting looked at the wrong way. He was trying to unite us as one, you know, put women's sports on the same playing grounds as men's sports...
Click to expand...

Hmmm....but he managed to create a large division in the fan base. Women's sports WERE on the same playing grounds as the men's - at UT. The problem is they aren't now...at least in the minds of many fans. Seems like he could figure out the controversy and ill will he has created and just go, 'oops. Drop back and punt, we'll keep the AD as one (and we will treat the women equally, promise, promise) but let all the women's teams be known as the Lady Vols. And I promise no more lies about how they all supported my decision.'

Now if I can just find my orange tinted glasses to put with my big orange blinders.......
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#45
#45
hikermanvol said:
Hart may not be perfect, but he's a better AD than Mike Hamilton.
Click to expand...

He is better than Hamilton! My gosh, what a comparison. Hammy is the all time worst AD in the history of sports; if it breathed it would have to be better than he was. JMO
 
#46
#46
Jdh13579 said:
Fire the guy who hired butch jones? That makes a lot of sense. Over what? Lady vol basketball? Football is the money maker and nobody cares about the lady vols since pat is gone. They are just a good program now. They're not elite or title contenders anymore. Who cares about their name.
Click to expand...

For those of you too blind to see. Here is the Lady Vols and women's sports future under hart.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#48
#48
You can't expect older southern women to get that the term "lady vols" is antiquated--smacks of the early days of women's sports when they were a novelty act ("Oh, look: ladies trying to play basketball!")-- and betrays the equality that most women want and deserve.
 
#49
#49
Volsfaninva917 said:
Dave Hart is fixing everything that is wrong with athletics at Tennessee, I'm getting tired of all the crying over a name. You play for the University of Tennessee so you are a Volunteer and if you can't accept that pick a different school. I cant stand "lady vol" fans that only support the womens basketball program you guys come across really arrogant. Stop the PC crap, stop the crying get over it or get out.:hi:
Click to expand...

And the fans that only support football...you can't stand them either I presume. Get a life. If you care nothing about women's sports, why try to push you desires and wants on those who do.

The PC crap is the name change at least get your facts correct. And there was NEVER anything said, promoted etc. by any of the women that in any way put down the Volunteer name. OK they are women, you obviously have a problem with that; just ignore them and they can play and succeed without your support...they just don't need your hinderance.

And by the way, I have donated to both men's and women's sports as well as academics, bought tickets, and attended games, so I have put my time, energy, and money behind my university and supported it and it's programs - all of them as possible. I don't tear them down, even though I think swimming, golf, and several other sports are beyond boring. There are those who enjoy them. So great, I support them being interested in something I'm not.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#50
#50
Smallvol#1 said:
And the fans that only support football...you can't stand them either I presume. Get a life. If you care nothing about women's sports, why try to push you desires and wants on those who do.

The PC crap is the name change at least get your facts correct. And there was NEVER anything said, promoted etc. by any of the women that in any way put down the Volunteer name. OK they are women, you obviously have a problem with that; just ignore them and they can play and succeed without your support...they just don't need your hinderance.

And by the way, I have donated to both men's and women's sports as well as academics, bought tickets, and attended games, so I have put my time, energy, and money behind my university and supported it and it's programs - all of them as possible. I don't tear them down, even though I think swimming, golf, and several other sports are beyond boring. There are those who enjoy them. So great, I support them being interested in something I'm not.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the dough...bro. :thumbsup:
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top