David Climer Speaks a Truth

[InVOLuntary]

The drive thru /instant gratification crowd have made sure of that. The internet just started wide spread use in the mid 80's about the time Majors was leaving. NOW when guys can get on line start a thread fire coach at halftime. You will not get the time Majors had. I think they win 6 next year make a bowl. Wins over Utah State, Arkansas State, UTC, Kentucky, Missouri and Vandy. This would have us winning 5 home games and Vandy on the road. Still think the fanbase will not be satisfied but it's a step in the right direction.

The Internet did not have widespread use until the late 90's. Don't you remember, Al Gore invented it.

 

[armchair]

Jones took a step or two this year--and we could have made even more progresss had we had any experience at the skill positions. We had almost none, were not good at TE, and we lost games we should have won because of it. The Vandy loss was bad, however, and Jones now simply has to bring in better talent than we've had over the last several years. In particular, he and the staff have GOT to find some competent/linemen for next year or we will go through another season like the last 10. We need to develop another good WR to complement North, need to move Croom to TE or find a TE that can run and catch passes--and above all the staff needs to find and develop a GOOD qb. That won't be easy as the QB situation looks muddled right now.

 

[volfan411]

I get as worked up as anyone when Tennessee performs the way it has... but in all fairness these players are terrible.. I understand they give their all and blah blah blah but seriously seniors.. whats left of them have given us 4 losing seasons and 1 bowl game. 4 coaches in 5 years is beyond measure too much to ask from these young men but the same mistakes are being made from day one.. cant rush the ball consistently and our defense is slow and cant tackle. 4 coaches forget to brush up these major details? I dont think so. This offensive line is overrated and this defense lacks speed and fundamentals. New players like cam sutton, whos the best defensive player, are proof we just need a few years are strong recruiting. Not dooley and kiffin recruiting where half of each class is gone that they signed. 2 cents

I think terrible is a harsh word to use most of these kids should never be on a SEC team but they were offered a scholarship by previous coaches and accepted them and went through 4 years of hell for it. They have been bashed by their previous coach, the fans and the media for 4 years and it is not fair to them to continue to bash them is just is what it is.

 

[Boca Vol]

People need to remember that next year TN will be relying on not only young and inexperienced players but inexperienced coaches as well. Many of these coaches are freshman equivalent and they are really learning on the job. This staff took a major leap from CMU and then Cincy to UT and the SEC. They were most likely not ready for a job this big. Who knows whether they can handle the learning curve or not?

Then why is UT paying Butch $3,000,000 per year if he isn't ready?

UT doesn't need to have someone learning on the job.

 

[FEARinSEC]

NO ONE... that I have seen has suggested it be fixed in one year. What we expected is that they would control and succeed at the things they could do. Being uncompetitive vs every good (and healthy) team UT played outside of USCe, losing to Vandy, and almost losing to USA... are failures that belong exclusively to THIS STAFF.

As I've said before, the only "failures" were Mike Hamilton's idiotic fire/hires. If you expected any more from this season, you are either delusional, unrealistic, or truly have no idea about the shape of this program.

Good day! :hi:

 

[InVOLuntary]

Then why is UT paying Butch $3,000,000 per year if he isn't ready?

UT doesn't need to have someone learning on the job.

You'll have to take that up with AD Hart.

 

[92volalum]

One other thing the article takes a jab at the coaching staff about zero improvement from fools n points out he has more talent..n compares first yr lift which we got zero

Is he being a negavol or now does the tn hate us?!!

 

[bullet20]

One other thing the article takes a jab at the coaching staff about zero improvement from fools n points out he has more talent..n compares first yr lift which we got zero

Is he being a negavol or now does the tn hate us?!!

Both.

 

[volfan411]

Then why is UT paying Butch $3,000,000 per year if he isn't ready?

UT doesn't need to have someone learning on the job.

I think all coaches are over paid these days and that does not help with the lofty expectations placed on them. I think most forget that UT publicly shunned by at least 2 coaches and who knows how many more behind the scenes during the hiring process. IMO we could have ended up in a much worse situation had Jones taken the Colorado job we would have been faced at that point with hiring either a lower tier HC or a coordinator and both would have been bigger gambles than Jones.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

He won't have that long

Heads will roll if no improvements are made after year 3

And that is part of the problem. No one has patience. This fiasco was not done overnight, nor will it be undone.

 

[bullet20]

If Payton retires next year, bring him in as OC

Who is this Payton you speak of ? :question:

 

[vtvol98]

People need to remember that next year TN will be relying on not only young and inexperienced players but inexperienced coaches as well. Many of these coaches are freshman equivalent and they are really learning on the job. This staff took a major leap from CMU and then Cincy to UT and the SEC. They were most likely not ready for a job this big. Who knows whether they can handle the learning curve or not?

This should be no different than the transition for Urban Meyer when he went from Bowling Green to Utah to Florida or, more recently, Gus Malzahn who went from Springdale (AR) HS to Arkansas Sate to Auburn. Either you can coach 'em up or you can't.

 

[InVOLuntary]

This should be no different than the transition for Urban Meyer when he went from Bowling Green to Utah to Florida or, more recently, Gus Malzahn who went from Springdale (AR) HS to Arkansas Sate to Auburn. Either you can coach 'em up or you can't.

Not disagreeing just stating the obvious.

 

[utvolpj]

This should be no different than the transition for Urban Meyer when he went from Bowling Green to Utah to Florida or, more recently, Gus Malzahn who went from Springdale (AR) HS to Arkansas Sate to Auburn. Either you can coach 'em up or you can't.

the differences are actually huge. There are seniors on Auburn's team with SEC/NC rings. There are seniors on UT's team that have never experienced a winning record in college

 

[a330m]

if not for 2 plays we would be 7 and 5 ...the pig howard fumble at the end of the Georgia GAME AND THE over turned call in the Vandy game....I think this staff is headed in the right direction...leave the coaching to them

 

[InVOLuntary]

if not for 2 plays we would be 7 and 5 ...the pig howard fumble at the end of the Georgia GAME AND THE over turned call in the Vandy game....I think this staff is headed in the right direction...leave the coaching to them

There is no guarantee we would have won the game if Pig had scored. GA still had a chance to match the score.

 

[lilesrt]

He won't have that long

Heads will roll if no improvements are made after year 3

And this, I am afraid, is why Tennessee football might never be "back". At this point, you have to give Butch Jones and minimum of 5 years. If after 5 years we are winning consistently 8 games a year, you give him an extension. Transition is NOT what this team needs. If South Carolina would have ditched Spurrier after his 3rd irrelevant season they wouldn't be competing for the east right now. This rebuilding job is going to take a while. Vol fans, including myself, need to buckle in and sit back.

 

[knoxvols11]

OP-I agree with you on this and even stated the exact same thing way back then to anyone who woukd listen!

 

[Boca Vol]

if not for 2 plays we would be 7 and 5 ...the pig howard fumble at the end of the Georgia GAME AND THE over turned call in the Vandy game....I think this staff is headed in the right direction...leave the coaching to them

Look at it from the other side. In the UGA game, UT allowed them to drive 75 yards in under 2 minutes with MASH unit on offense.

In the Vandy game, UT needed 1 yard to get a 1st down and couldn't do it. After that, Vandy drove 92 yards down the field.

You can choose to focus on those 2 plays, but the games were lost elsewhere.

 

[92volalum]

And this, I am afraid, is why Tennessee football might never be "back". At this point, you have to give Butch Jones and minimum of 5 years. If after 5 years we are winning consistently 8 games a year, you give him an extension. Transition is NOT what this team needs. If South Carolina would have ditched Spurrier after his 3rd irrelevant season they wouldn't be competing for the east right now. This rebuilding job is going to take a while. Vol fans, including myself, need to buckle in and sit back.

Tell that to bama n fla with that model.. Two great recruiting classes n good coaches start winning

 

[volfan411]

if not for 2 plays we would be 7 and 5 ...the pig howard fumble at the end of the Georgia GAME AND THE over turned call in the Vandy game....I think this staff is headed in the right direction...leave the coaching to them

But without a big catch by North we lose the SC game so those type plays go both ways. I am not saying the staff is not going to get it done but there are a a lot of plays though out a season the decides the fate of a game.

 

[cbrown]

I think all coaches are over paid these days and that does not help with the lofty expectations placed on them. I think most forget that UT publicly shunned by at least 2 coaches and who knows how many more behind the scenes during the hiring process. IMO we could have ended up in a much worse situation had Jones taken the Colorado job we would have been faced at that point with hiring either a lower tier HC or a coordinator and both would have been bigger gambles than Jones.

I've gone from believing Butch is the right guy to hoping he is the right guy. Agree with the above post, though. His record suggested he could coach and it appears as though he can recruit. He looked like the most qualified and willing candidate available.

 

[Grand Vol]

The drive thru /instant gratification crowd have made sure of that. The internet just started wide spread use in the mid 80's about the time Majors was leaving. NOW when guys can get on line start a thread fire coach at halftime. You will not get the time Majors had. I think they win 6 next year make a bowl. Wins over Utah State, Arkansas State, UTC, Kentucky, Missouri and Vandy. This would have us winning 5 home games and Vandy on the road. Still think the fanbase will not be satisfied but it's a step in the right direction.

I wouldn't be happy with a 6-6 next year for other reasons.

Georgia - Loses Murray which will put a huge hole in their offense. True that Gurley and Marshall will be Juniors but effective D play should help neutralize that.

Florida - Dumpster fire in waiting with Muschamp at the helm. They start 3-0 then got into the same type of SEC schedule like we had this year.

South Carolina - Rebuilding year on both offense and defense.

Mizzou - Who knows. Bringing back decent talent so look for them to have another run at the East title next year.

2014 happens to be a year where the SEC East has a down year even more than it is this year. So a 6-6 schedule should be well within the realm of actual more than possible. And with proper game plan, many of our East rivals should be competitive games and 8-4 isn't out of reach by a long shot.

But a lot of this will depend on the coaching decisions made between now and then and how fast we can get the new talent into the system and get it worked up. We have the talent to go far next year, but the coaches have to pull them there.

 

[InVOLuntary]

CBJ will get three years regardless. After that it will be a money decision. Will it cost less to fire him and pay his buyout or retain him and endure the potential losses in revenue due to decreased ticket sales, donations, licensed merchandise sales ect? These decisions are always money decisions. The only reason Dave Hart and Jimmy Cheek care about wins and losses is how it affects the bottom line. If CBJ is producing a winner, the money will be there.

 

[gnm53108]

I've gone from believing Butch is the right guy to hoping he is the right guy. Agree with the above post, though. His record suggested he could coach and it appears as though he can recruit. He looked like the most qualified and willing candidate available.

Thats where I'm at too.