David Climer Speaks a Truth

#51
#51
cwbytruckers said:
This board is so wet from the sobbing drunks I don't see how anyone can post without being electrocuted. Will the crying ever stop. Will the wounds ever heel. Will they ever stop playing that damn commercial. Sorry got side tracked. The ledge is behind us. We fell off three years ago. We have hit bottom. We are scraping of the last scab. Its starting to heal. Kentucky will be the last of this debocale. Can we move on to something more uplifting. Besides there will be a few more post on the stupid Florida guys blocking each other today.
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I thought bottom was last year or the year before. Just when you think that we are at rock bottom, this program has the uncanny ability to dig a little deeper into the bedrock.
 
#52
#52
Firing CBJ before 5-6 years will permanently kill our program. That is a fact.

It may take 4 years to see drastic results.

I really think this is the guy and he can do it but he can't fix a problem overnight that took 10 years to create.
 
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WesternNCVol said:
Firing CBJ before 5-6 years will permanently kill our program. That is a fact.

It may take 4 years to see drastic results.

I really think this is the guy and he can do it but he can't fix a problem overnight that took 10 years to create.
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How do you kill something that's dead?
 
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OneManGang said:
http://www.tennessean.com/article/2...28/Climer-Butch-Jones-right-coach-right-place

The decline of Tennessee football from excellence to mediocrity to near irrelevance has been going on for most of a decade. There is/was no way in hell Head Vol Butch Jones was going to be able to fix it in one year.

Climer is right, Next year is going to look a lot like this year. This isn't Philip Fulmer stepping up to be Head Vol in 1992 with a team loaded with talent he could build on and win big games doing so. This is John Majors arriving in 1977 to find that there were teams in the KIL with more - and better - D-1 talent than Tennessee boasted at the time. Combine that with the fact that Majors was able to operate largely free from recruiting restrictions and what you have is a multi-season process to rebuild the program.

I wrote this in 2003 and easily could have just re-posted it in 2008 or 2012:

If Head Vol Jones can get UT competitive in anything less than five years he should be named Coach of the Decade.
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The Commodore speaks.
 
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WesternNCVol said:
Firing CBJ before 5-6 years will permanently kill our program. That is a fact.

It may take 4 years to see drastic results.

I really think this is the guy and he can do it but he can't fix a problem overnight that took 10 years to create.
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I don't think any sane person thought it could be completely fixed in year one. I certainly didn't expect to see us in Atlanta representing the east. Like many others here have said, I just wanted to see real evidence of this thing getting turned around. It seemed to be happening after the Georgia and South Carolina games but after the brutal stretch, it seemed to go the other way. That is what most concerning to me.
I agree that it will take a few years to get this turned around. My question is how long will it take to see consistent improvement?
 
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92volalum said:
Tell that to bama n fla with that model.. Two great recruiting classes n good coaches start winning
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Please take into consideration the coaches they hired. Has Tennessee come close to making a hire of their magnitude? No. Butch Jones needs 5 years.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
I thought bottom was last year or the year before. Just when you think that we are at rock bottom, this program has the uncanny ability to dig a little deeper into the bedrock.
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Oh Dools was the rock bottom. He left us dead and buried, we're just now starting dig our way out.
 
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WesternNCVol said:
Firing CBJ before 5-6 years will permanently kill our program. That is a fact.

It may take 4 years to see drastic results.

I really think this is the guy and he can do it but he can't fix a problem overnight that took 10 years to create.
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This. Personally, I's love to see CBJ finish his career at UT. The man needs time.
 
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#64
Col_Cathcart said:
UGA was relatively healthy when we played them.

I firmly believe that this year would have gone much differently if not for our rash of injuries at QB and losing Couch and Saulsberry for the year at DT. I'm hopeful for the future.
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The first half the game yes; by about mid 3rd quarter they certainly weren't, which is about the time we started coming back.
 
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#65
Basically with Dooley at the head for he past 3 years he was unble to recruit real impact players on defense and expect for Hunter, Rogers and Patterson... The rest have been a non factor.. The sec is loaded is talent.. You difference makers at certain position to rise in this league... We just don't have them on this rostr export for North, Sutton to name a few
 
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a330m said:
if not for 2 plays we would be 7 and 5 ...the pig howard fumble at the end of the Georgia GAME AND THE over turned call in the Vandy game....I think this staff is headed in the right direction...leave the coaching to them
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Even if they hadn't have overturned Pig's TD, that wasn't the game, UGA still got the ball. So you can't count that was a W.

Plus if you're playing that game, we're also a miracle catch away from being 3-8.
 
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If Jones fails, it is going to take a lot deeper pockets than UT has to bring in a game changing coach as his replacement. If Jones fails, we are Kentucky South for the next decade.

Our only chance would be identifying and landing a young coach on the way up and roll the dice. This program will be in shambles if Jones can't make it happen.
 
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I believe Jones will get 4 years minimum, unless say he goes 3-9 the next 2 seasons.

It's hard to say for sure, because I was sure Dooley would get 4 years at least, but by the middle of his 3rd season it was clear he needed to go to even the biggest Dooley supporter. It will all depend on how that 3rd year goes. Even I didn't think Dooley's 3rd year would be that much of a disaster.
 
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The prevailing attitude on VN would leave UT in an eternal coaching carousel and never allow for any long term improvement. Fortunately, I do not think it is a reflection of the attitudes of the majority of Vol fans or more importantly, the boosters who actually have great influence over such decisions.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Even if they hadn't have overturned Pig's TD, that wasn't the game, UGA still got the ball. So you can't count that was a W.

Plus if you're playing that game, we're also a miracle catch away from being 3-8.
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Adding to that, we were also a batted down pass in the endzone away from 2-9. Anyone thinking GA was a "win" for this program should also count SA as a "loss" by the same logic.
 
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cbrown said:
I've gone from believing Butch is the right guy to hoping he is the right guy. Agree with the above post, though. His record suggested he could coach and it appears as though he can recruit. He looked like the most qualified and willing candidate available.
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I am in the same boat I firmly believed he was the "right" guy at the beginning of the season and now I hope he is.

But I will add I feel better about Jones than I ever did about Dooley.
 
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