David Climer Speaks a Truth

#77
#77
DaddyChad said:
Who's going to take the job when you've went through so many coaches in such a short period of time? Our fans are also delusional about the financial situation right now.
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And the financial situation will continue to get worse until the football team starts winning.
 
#78
#78
This will not be fixed in one year ( as we found out) or two years. People need to get real. Our schedule next year is as tough if not tougher. Our record could very well end up the same or worse as this year. I feel one of the biggest drawbacks to this season was our TE play. The TE is a vital position to the offense this staff wants to run. This with the QB situation, and young receivers was detrimental to the progession. I still see improvement in attitude, desire, and this team "believes" in this staff and philosophy. Coach Jones is doing things the right way and it will pay off, but maybe not next year. Again our schedule is brutal with lots of new faces. We played 25 Freshman (or RS Freshman) this year. Next year we will play lots more. Give them time. IT will succeed.

for now It is what it is. Support this team and get ready for the good times.

If you dont support them now, then don't jump back on the wagon in a few years.

Thats all.

GO VOLS and its STILL great to be a Tennessee Vol
 
#79
#79
MedicT said:
The prevailing attitude on VN would leave UT in an eternal coaching carousel and never allow for any long term improvement. Fortunately, I do not think it is a reflection of the attitudes of the majority of Vol fans or more importantly, the boosters who actually have great influence over such decisions.
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Not suggesting we go back to the Majors years but he changed asst's like some change socks. While he had some ups and downs he did win a few games here.
 
#80
#80
InVOLuntary said:
People need to remember that next year TN will be relying on not only young and inexperienced players but inexperienced coaches as well. Many of these coaches are freshman equivalent and they are really learning on the job. This staff took a major leap from CMU and then Cincy to UT and the SEC. They were most likely not ready for a job this big. Who knows whether they can handle the learning curve or not?
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Really? Do you honestly believe these guys are "learning on the job"? It's like this, you either are a good coach, or a bad coach, and Jones's track record indicates he is a good coach.

Even the great Nick Saban didn't look like he was ready to take the leap to the SEC when you look at his record at Michigan St. but did that stop him from winning the BCS?

Talent on the team does factor into what a coach can and can't do. Having to resort to your fourth string QB doesn't help either, so how bout we give this staff time to get the talent and then judge them at that point.
 
#81
#81
This stuff isn't as predictable as we'd like. Auburn won how many games last year vs. this season? Who would have guessed Florida would be 4-7?......We can get back sooner than expected or it may take longer. It takes what it takes. All we (the players, coaches, and school administators) can do is continue doing the right things and focus on both short and long term goals. It's nuts to start speculating that it will take another couple of years to become competitive, and even more crazy to speculate that Jones would be fired in that situation.....We're not the prom queen right now, exactly what "A" list head coach would take a chance and come here? Remember the names and conversations about coaches going on when we hired Jones? We have to rebuild and do it asap. The incoming class is a great start.
 
#82
#82
Vol-in-Atlanta said:
This stuff isn't as predictable as we'd like. Auburn won how many games last year vs. this season? Who would have guessed Florida would be 4-7?......We can get back sooner than expected or it may take longer. It takes what it takes. All we (the players, coaches, and school administators) can do is continue doing the right things and focus on both short and long term goals. It's nuts to start speculating that it will take another couple of years to become competitive, and even more crazy to speculate that Jones would be fired in that situation.....We're not the prom queen right now, exactly what "A" list head coach would take a chance and come here? Remember the names and conversations about coaches going on when we hired Jones? We have to rebuild and do it asap. The incoming class is a great start.
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I agree coaches were not beating down the door when we hired Jones. Coaches are not going to take a job if they think they are only going to get 3 years to rebuild. Outside of about 20% of the posters on here most seen UT as a 3-5 year project. If we fire Jones half way through without good reason the national perception may become that coaches are not going to be given adequate time to complete the job.

I also believe the same could be said for coordinators if Jones fires a coordinator after one season on the job what are other coaches going to think they only have one season to get results or face the same fate.
 
#84
#84
butchball13 said:
You're absolutely correct. I would suggest Dooley = Battle
Butch = Johnny in our current predicament.
However, we threw in the Kiffin debacle to make the job even harder.

This is who we are. Real fans will stay. Negavols will diminish over the next few years. But they will be back when we get turned around.
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Surfer dude did a lot of damage in a very short time. :sad:
 
#85
#85
I also believe if CBJ is fired in less then 5 years it will be the death of this program. No decent coach would want to come here and neither would any recruits if they are worried about not playing under the coach that recruits them. The Great Saban himself would've had a hard time changing the mentality of this team which is used to losing or giving up to one that is comptetive in every game.
 
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#86
#86
sjt18 said:
Help me then. What specific, tangible thing did this staff do this year besides a recruiting class that is highly ranked that suggests they are good enough to compete in the SEC?

They beat USCe and outcoached Richt. But those are far outweighed by bad losses and being outcoached by others with inferior teams.
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Come on now 18. The guy can't be hopeful for the future now? I'm disappointed and a little po'd too, but I'm sure as hell hopeful for the future.
 
#87
#87
volfan411 said:
I agree coaches were not beating down the door when we hired Kiffin, Dooley or Jones. Coaches are not going to take a job if they think they are only going to get 3 years to rebuild. Outside of about 20% of the posters on here most seen UT as a 3-5 year project. If we fire Jones half way through without good reason the national perception may become that coaches are not going to be given adequate time to complete the job.

I also believe the same could be said for coordinators if Jones fires a coordinator after one season on the job what are other coaches going to think they only have one season to get results or face the same fate.
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FYP. But agree. As the OP and article alluded to ... this is not a "3" year fix.
 
#88
#88
volfan_89 said:
I also believe if CBJ is fired in less then 5 years it will be the death of this program. No decent coach would want to come here and neither would any recruits if they are worried about not playing under the coach that recruits them. The Great Saban himself would've had a hard time changing the mentality of this team which is used to losing or giving up to one that is comptetive in every game.
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Not hardly

A good coach will bring us out of the hole sooner than later

If Jones maintains the level of recruiting, he will out talent most teams we face. If no improvements are seen, then we know we don't have the Best Staff in America
 
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#89
#89
sjt18 said:
NO ONE... that I have seen has suggested it be fixed in one year. What we expected is that they would control and succeed at the things they could do. Being uncompetitive vs every good (and healthy) team UT played outside of USCe, losing to Vandy, and almost losing to USA... are failures that belong exclusively to THIS STAFF.
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well said.
 
#92
#92
CountVolcula said:
Not hardly

A good coach will bring us out of the hole sooner than later

If Jones maitains the level of recruiting, he will out talent most teams we face. If no improvements are seen, then we know we don't have the Best Staff in America
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I somewhat agree however I think even a Saban level coach would've had a hard time getting more out of this team, 6-6 7-5 at best given injuries at key postions and overall lack of depth and talent. 4th head coach in 6 years and as any as 5 positional coaching changes in some areas also had a major effect on this season.
 
#94
#94
brandonco05 said:
It's funny that you of all people are agreeing with 18. You were a Dooley basher and he was/is a Dooley lover. It's good to see that you guys have found something in common here.
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still am a dooley basher he sucks, me and 18 don't always think the same way, but we are both vols. he makes a good point i can't argue with.
 
#95
#95
Poppa T said:
FYP. But agree. As the OP and article alluded to ... this is not a "3" year fix.
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Kiffin was the biggest mistake and the timing of his departure. I thought at the time they should have made Kippy the interim coach and hired some one after the season and I bet if Hamilton would be honest he would agree. Dooley with his recruiting and constant revolving door of assistants set us back more than most on here are willing to admit.
 
#97
#97
zydane47 said:
Really? Do you honestly believe these guys are "learning on the job"? It's like this, you either are a good coach, or a bad coach, and Jones's track record indicates he is a good coach.

Even the great Nick Saban didn't look like he was ready to take the leap to the SEC when you look at his record at Michigan St. but did that stop him from winning the BCS?

Talent on the team does factor into what a coach can and can't do. Having to resort to your fourth string QB doesn't help either, so how bout we give this staff time to get the talent and then judge them at that point.
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Yes, I think they are learning on the job. I think he's giving it everything in his fiber to be successful. But there is a reason high school coaches don't go directly into head coaching positions. With each level of football the quality of coaching increases. Butch Jones is a relative puppy when it comes to experience. Anytime you hire a coach that has little to no experience at the highest level of college football that is the SEC, you take a gamble. One can argue that you take a gamble with any coach but history shows that coaches that have been successful at the highest levels before have a greater chance of being successful again. Whereas a coach that has very limited experience at this level, the risk are much greater. Does that doom CBJ? Absolutely not! It means his learning curve will be steeper and his chances for success are less of a sure think.

I don't think he should be fired. I don't think his assistance should be fired at this point. Am I as confident that he'll succeed as I was before the season? No. I think the team underachieved this year but that's JMO. I'm not ready to give up on him. Let's see what he can do with some of his hand selected players.
 
#98
#98
tnvols72 said:
The best staff in the country defenders will Que in 3,2,1.....

For the record I like BJ but the OC and DC are pathetic
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Yeah bad players will make any OC or DC look pathetic. Try again.
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#99
#99
Jones will be on a short leash if year two is no better than this year...you can count on that..
 
#100
#100
Schedule isn't any better or worse. It all comes down to finding replacements for Oline, Dline and LBs.

I think we have the answers at LB with Maggitt and Maybin along with strong recruits.

Oline, we have Jackson and Crowder who are very good and Wiesman who should be as well. One good Juco and one recruit or upperclassman pluse reserves need to step up.

Dline, we have Vereen and need help fast (Jucos and EE recruits). If Saulsberry comes back healthy, he will be the Stud!

Secondary will be strong, recruits will give us a bookend to Sutton. Sutton and Randolph's growth, maturity and familiarity with the scheme will make them even better. Coleman is a decent CB, but we should get better talent in. Coleman can be a backup CB or move over to safety/nickel.
 
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