Dawinists standing on the panic button.

#476
#476
DC Vol said:
Again, if God knew all of this beforehand, I doubt he would have bestowed upon us the truth of creation... as we obviously couldn't handle it. It's like giving a known serial killer a gun and asking him/her to go on a walk alone in the woods far from civilization. Man has consistently proven to use the Bible (and it's worthwhile teachings) as a tool of corruption and mind-control.
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What hasn't man used as a tool of corruption?
 
#477
#477
DC Vol said:
Not arguing for government (as most were products of religion and still are).

Science on the other hand hasn't been the focal point of any wars as far as I'm aware. Science has been used, sure, but wasn't the root cause.
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Really?

Might want to look into that one.

:)
 
#480
#480
JZVOL said:
Deut. 2:29 But from there you will seek the LORD your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul."
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In that case, the God I found is not one who banishes people to hell for making a choice to a decision they weren't really given. :hi:
 
#482
#482
DC Vol said:
I heard they will get a chance to not exercise free will, but to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior at the Gates.

If they do, they're in.
If they don't, they go to Hell.


That's from a Southern Baptist though. That was the question right before my question that got me kicked out of the girls house. I know how to make an impression I guess.
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This was the case for anyone that died before Jesus came and began his ministry.
 
#483
#483
IPorange said:
I am pretty sure virtually everyone else who hasn't read a bible or followed a rule didn't get a chance to hang next to Christ, so I think that deflates your point a bit. The world is a lot bigger than Israel, Europe and the Western Hemisphere, and the last 2,000 years. The vast majority of the humans who ever lived never heard any of the judeo-christianic traditions. I guess they are all in hell.
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The book of Romans tells us otherwise.
 
#485
#485
IPorange said:
I am familiar with entropy, but i feel like I am missing what you are applying it to in terms of the process that created the universe. How is their demonstrated to be no entropy?
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Since the big bang would be the largest process known to man, the amount of entropy it would produce would be enormous, leaving the universe, with little useful energy, or high entropy. Instead the universe was created with low entropy and large amounts of useful energy that we continually convert from one form to another.
 
#488
#488
oklavol said:
Since the big bang would be the largest process known to man, the amount of entropy it would produce would be enormous, leaving the universe, with little useful energy, or high entropy. Instead the universe was created with low entropy and large amounts of useful energy that we continually convert from one form to another.
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reminds me of this opposite argument:

the Big Bang is, statistically, the result of an inevitable improbability that exists solely due to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, and is relevant throughout the block universe. We may picture it mathematically as such:

1. The Big Bang has entropy S.
2. A hypothetical god is either orderly or chaotic.
1. Hypothetical gods have a personhood.
2. Personhood implies orderliness.
3. A hypothetical god is orderly, and thus has low entropy. (See note1 for more detail.)
3. In order for god to directly cause the Big Bang, he must have a lower entropy (S-a, where a is positive, real number).
4. The probability of the Big Bang coming from a higher state of entropy (S+b, where b is a positive, real number) approaches P=1, normalizing over the condition of many opportunities for the Big Bang to happen.
5. The probability of the Big Bang coming from an even lower state of entropy (god) approaches Q=0 (since Q=1-P).
6. The difference in probability is thus the limit of 1 divided by the limit of 0, which of course approaches infinity.
7. There is an infinitely greater chance that the Big Bang is the result of randomness than the result of even more order.
8. Thus, god does not exist.
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I don't know. I would think an omnipotent and omnipresent being could skirt around the above logic pretty easily, considering for them time is nonlinear and thus the chronological assumptions wouldn't necessarily apply. But in any event, here's an example of entropy being used to cut the other way.
 
#490
#490
T-TownVol said:
Read Romans 1: 20 - 32, you have to decide for yourself
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I looked it up. Once again, their seems to be a temporal aspect that is overlooked. Even if cultures had things revealed them and then rejected them, is it fair to hold the following generations responsible when they didn't get that same opportunity? Also, what of moral non-Christian traditions that don't practice the many things alluded to in the text, such as Muslims or Hindus? Japan could not be said to be any more depraved than western Christian lands historically.

Hmm, I don't know. An interesting passage, for sure.
 
#492
#492
JZVOL said:
I would say you know how to be disrespectful in someone's home.
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Eh, they had it coming. First of all they criticized my "muslim friend" (named Omar... he is a Chaldean Iraqi).

It's not like I was the arrogant agnostic storming into the righteous Christian house denouncing their views. They were actually the opposite of the "good Christian household"... for reasons I won't delve into here.
 
#494
#494
DC Vol said:
What wars has science started?

When was the last time you saw a physicist and a chemist getting into a fight?
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1.) I know, why would I tell you and not force you to look them up?

2.) It would have been 4 years ago when I worked at Ohio State.
 
#495
#495
Southern Baptist get a bad rap because every one believes we are....

fat-shirtless-guy-eating-cheeseburger-2.3.jpg
 
#497
#497
DC Vol said:
Eh, they had it coming. First of all they criticized my "muslim friend" (named Omar... he is a Chaldean Iraqi).

It's not like I was the arrogant agnostic storming into the righteous Christian house denouncing their views. They were actually the opposite of the "good Christian household"... for reasons I won't delve into here.
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Well fair enough. My bad for using my jump to conclusions mat.
 
#498
#498
DC Vol said:
Entertain my ignorance. Please. Which wars were started purely because of scientific differences?
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Again, why in the world would I do that.

That is like rdj saying there is only one setence referencing Christ from an outside source other than the Bible.

In fact there are over 50 referencing christ.

As for wars, technically there have been 12, but I think there has only been 7 legit ones.
 
#499
#499
I would like to know exactly which wars were started over scientific differences too.
 
#500
#500
OrangeEmpire said:
Southern Baptist get a bad rap because every one believes we are....

fat-shirtless-guy-eating-cheeseburger-2.3.jpg
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HAHAHA... Sometimes that's not far off though. Which is kind of ironic that a lot are overweight yet condemn any alcohol consumption as if being fat isn't as bad... but another story for another day I guess.
 
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