Dear Mr. Hart,

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allvol21 said:
This has nothing to do with football. Actually it is a totally different situation and different sport. This season has just started you are correct but this is the 3rd year in martin's tenure and there are two losses to point towards another slow start and mediocre season.

Don't get me wrong I love this basketball team. It has all the pieces. A solid point guard in barton with a great scorer in mcrea and one of the best backcourts in the nation. We just don't have a coach that can make the most of that.
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I'm surprised at the faction that is already making excuses.
2 losses we shouldn't have and they see UTEP as a blessing in disguise, when we showed against Wake that we were perfectly capable of competing with Iowa, nova or Kansas.
I'll forgive Martin for UTEP when he has us SEEDED in the NCAA.
 
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There are some nutty fans on all the forums. On the football forum, most were talking 4 months ago about winning the "toss-up" games Mizzou and Auburn. See how that went.

I would love for Butch to come back. Ain't gonna happen. As far as this coach, many of the name coaches have lost a game or 2 this season. I am in favor of waiting to see how this season plays out. I am not a big Martin fan, especially seeing him not recruit any better than he has. This is his make or break yr as far as I am concerned. Sweet 16 or look somewhere else.
 
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No one goes undefeated in basketball. At least not in a long time. Everyone loses, might as well get used to it. As long as you learn from the losses and it isn't to a total scrub, you're ok. That's what happened with UTEP. Bad loss, but then learn from it and put together two great performances.
 
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Reading this I tried to put together a list of the hottest up and comer coaches pool that UT could pick from.
Matthew Graves ??? Leave after one year for TN????
Joe Dooley Here is a name all UT fans would love to have coaching the men's BB program.
Michael White-He is from a directional La school
Randy Rahe-I can just see the Pearlites sucking on this coaches backside
Leon Rice Expensive you have to pay to send him to Aussie land to recruit
Kermit Davis-Raid MTSU and get the coach will really fire up the TN folks, that and he sounds like a Sesame Street character

This is the type of candidate we will be hiring when we fire CM. Pearl is not an option and their is not a UT pedigree guy looking to come home. Who knows maybe Buzz wants to come back home or perhaps Jerry Green?
 
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I can't take anyone seriously that writes letters to players, coaches, etc on an online forum like it's going to be read or something
 
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CAVol said:
No one goes undefeated in basketball. At least not in a long time. Everyone loses, might as well get used to it. As long as you learn from the losses and it isn't to a total scrub, you're ok. That's what happened with UTEP. Bad loss, but then learn from it and put together two great performances.
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The only problem with that is that the early losses have kept us out of the dance last two years. You say learn from losses but Martin hasn't really shown that he can. In other words the early OOC games is where we need wins wherever we can get them. That's why it's devastating to see unmotivated Martin teams (UTEP, Xavier first time). They show no urgency early in the season and that is where he needs it the most because you can't build a resume out of weak SEC league play.

For other posters complaining about the Martin bashing-

I've seen enough of Martin and have no confidence in him. Only getting past the second round of the NCAA tourney will change that. If he can't get it done with this talent, he's not going to get it done. The over-the-top criticism after shi$$y losses is well-deserved and the Martin worshipers in here are the ones that need to calm down. If they don't like the fact we complain after losses then they need to take it up with the head coach or put us on ignore. He's been given two years and year three isn't going to be a free ride.
 
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Orange_Scooter said:
The only problem with that is that the early losses have kept us out of the dance last two years. You say learn from losses but Martin hasn't really shown that he can. In other words the early OOC games is where we need wins wherever we can get them. That's why it's devastating to see unmotivated Martin teams (UTEP, Xavier first time). They show no urgency early in the season and that is where he needs it the most because you can't build a resume out of weak SEC league play.

For other posters complaining about the Martin bashing-

I've seen enough of Martin and have no confidence in him. Only getting past the second round of the NCAA tourney will change that. If he can't get it done with this talent, he's not going to get it done. The over-the-top criticism after shi$$y losses is well-deserved and the Martin worshipers in here are the ones that need to calm down. If they don't like the fact we complain after losses then they need to take it up with the head coach or put us on ignore. He's been given two years and year three isn't going to be a free ride.
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In past years that is true. However, I don't consider UTEP a devastating loss like Austin peay was. They just played Kansas close.
 
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CAVol said:
In past years that is true. However, I don't consider UTEP a devastating loss like Austin peay was. They just played Kansas close.
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Probably speaks more about Self's early problems.
did you see his face after the win? Guy was sweating bullets.
 
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All the people who are calling for CCM to be fired are a bunch of racists idiots! The guy isn't Bruce Pearl but Tennessee has a "Winning" men's basketball program, something the football program can't say. CCM will get the players to come to Tennessee because he is relatable. Hubbs, Thompson and Davis are going to be great players! I don't know what you idiots are looking at. Yea they lost two games but if you watch this team play you can see that they are going to be a force to deal with. I think CCM is doing a good job and this program will win consistently and grow under his leadership.
 
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calban said:
Probably speaks more about Self's early problems.
did you see his face after the win? Guy was sweating bullets.
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Didn't get to watch. However, UTEP is a well coached team. Kansas will get better but so will UTEP. They are no Austin peay.
 
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CAVol said:
Didn't get to watch. However, UTEP is a well coached team. Kansas will get better but so will UTEP. They are no Austin peay.
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UTEP will be a middle of the pack CUSA team. Face it.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
No he's simply saying that firing or even wanting to fire a coach this early in the season is idiotic. And he's right.
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Of course it's idiotic and not going to happen.
There is a difference between calling someone an idiot or their opinion idiotic.
You did it right. He didn't.
 
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Orange_Scooter said:
If he misses the Dance again, will you support him for year 4? Just curious.
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I don't support a coach. I support the vols. I will support whoever is coaching the team. Do I think he makes poor decisions? Yes. But so does every coach at some point. Do I question his ability to get the job done? Yes. I'm willing to wait out the season and see what happens before declaring that I want him fired. Long way to go.
 
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calban said:
Of course it's idiotic and not going to happen.
There is a difference between calling someone an idiot or their opinion idiotic.
You did it right. He didn't.
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Sounds like you need some cheese with that whine.
 
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TeddyYeti said:
My argument is the season just started and some idiots want to fire the coach.
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We are seven games into the season, in the prior two seasons we had early bad losses which kept us out of the tournament. It may and I say may not turn out that we have two bad losses already, but with Xavier losing 3 out of 3 and UTEP going 1 for 3 with two losses before they got there I would say people have some real concerns.
 
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TeddyYeti said:
Thank you Nostradamus.
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That's much better than idiot. thank you.
There lots of sites where you can gather some info to become at least a marginal poster.
You should hit a few and come back.
 
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knowthevols said:
We are seven games into the season, in the prior two seasons we had early bad losses which kept us out of the tournament. It may and I say may not turn out that we have two bad losses already, but with Xavier losing 3 out of 3 and UTEP going 1 for 3 with two losses before they got there I would say people have some real concerns.
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Might as well resign ourselves to being trolls.
The excuses are already piling up.
Best one I've seen was , UTEP loss was a blessing in disguise. Comical?
 
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calban said:
Might as well resign ourselves to being trolls.
The excuses are already piling up.
Best one I've seen was , UTEP loss was a blessing in disguise. Comical?
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Definitely not a blessing. May have woke them up though considering how we played in the 2 games afterwards.
 
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CAVol said:
I don't support a coach. I support the vols. I will support whoever is coaching the team. Do I think he makes poor decisions? Yes. But so does every coach at some point. Do I question his ability to get the job done? Yes. I'm willing to wait out the season and see what happens before declaring that I want him fired. Long way to go.
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Well, if his teams keep playing uninspired, then these UTEP type losses will keep us out of the Dance. A 1 and 9 AP team isn't that much worse than a 4 and 4 UTEP squad who have lost (twice) to North Mexico Polytechnical Institute for the Blind. But, hey, they played Kansas kind of close. Too bad moral victories don't count towards the dance.
 
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Orange_Scooter said:
Well, if his teams keep playing uninspired, then these UTEP type losses will keep us out of the Dance. A 1 and 9 AP team isn't that much worse than a 4 and 4 UTEP squad who have lost (twice) to North Mexico Polytechnical Institute for the Blind. But, hey, they played Kansas kind of close. Too bad moral victories don't count towards the dance.
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Never said they count. The team has played much better after the UTEP loss. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the season or Martin yet.
 
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CAVol said:
Never said they count. The team has played much better after the UTEP loss. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the season or Martin yet.
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Not throwing in the towel, but will criticize when his team clearly isn't prepared.
They showed clearly in the Wake game that they knew the answer to busting zones wasn't all chucking 3s.
what was the problem with UTEP other than they weren't prepared to attack a junk defense.
21 3s? And Martin sitting on his hands with a dumb look on his face.
Get use to it. He will be criticized when he fails on a game by game basis. It isn't season 1.
 
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