Dear Romney and McCain

#51
#51
I would whole heartly agree, don't care what side of the aisle you set on, get in there do your job. Stand for something............I mean they are getting paid for a reason, right?
 
#53
#53
tclowers23 said:
As long as Romney doesn't stoop to the level of McCain's dirty tactics
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I would say Romney is on the same level as McCain tactic wise

Neither one are better/worse than the other

Florida showed that with the barrage of attacks both ways
 
#54
#54
U-T said:
I would say Romney is on the same level as McCain tactic wise

Neither one are better/worse than the other

Florida showed that with the barrage of attacks both ways
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Romney didn't make a false claim against McCain the day before voters in Florida chose their candidate. That's pretty low.
 
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#56
oklavol said:
Coulter main beef with McCain seems to be his stance on illegal immigration, and not taking the amnesty proposal off the table.

The truth is in the general election, Clinton will uncover the dirt on McCain. His involvement with the Keating 5, the strings his Admiral father pulled in order for him to become a pilot. The stories of McCain being a very bad pilot, losing 3 planes before being shot down (per Michael Savage radio show).

I think McCain might lose a general election, and isn't the show in a lot of Republicans think.
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While I am no fan of McCain, questioning his time in the Navy would be the best way for the Dems to lose. American's are not going to care whether or not he was Maverick, Ice Man, or Goose when he was in the cockpit. They are not going to give two sh*ts about whether daddy McCain pulled strings to get him a flight billet. They will care though that he actually elected to stay in the POW Camp when he was offered an out by the Vietnamese.

I am actually ashamed to be associated with you, as a fellow Vol, as you implicitly question McCain's service to our nation.
 
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tclowers23 said:
Romney didn't make a false claim against McCain the day before voters in Florida chose their candidate. That's pretty low.
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I certainly don't agree with McCain's tactic - I understand his point but he twisted the fact until it screamed.

On the other hand, Romney has been twisting facts and negative campaigning for a while now. Frankly, both of them look like tools for their tactics.
 
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therealUT said:
While I am no fan of McCain, questioning his time in the Navy would be the best way for the Dems to lose. American's are not going to care whether or not he was Maverick, Ice Man, or Goose when he was in the cockpit. They are not going to give two sh*ts about whether daddy McCain pulled strings to get him a flight billet. They will care though that he actually elected to stay in the POW Camp when he was offered an out by the Vietnamese.
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Agreed. What's next - Patton was in the closet?
 
#61
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therealUT said:
While I am no fan of McCain, questioning his time in the Navy would be the best way for the Dems to lose. American's are not going to care whether or not he was Maverick, Ice Man, or Goose when he was in the cockpit. They are not going to give two sh*ts about whether daddy McCain pulled strings to get him a flight billet. They will care though that he actually elected to stay in the POW Camp when he was offered an out by the Vietnamese.

I am actually ashamed to be associated with you, as a fellow Vol, as you implicitly question McCain's service to our nation.
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You are so condescending and arrogant.... the man's running for president, and according to you we can't question his background?? I guess you think Michael Savage doesn't have a right to discuss his background on his radio show either? So much for free speech.
 
#62
#62
I think it's all fair game to a point, but I'd probably listen to a bum on an interstate ramp before I'd pay attention to Michael Savage.
 
#63
#63
GAVol said:
I think it's all fair game to a point, but I'd probably listen to a bum on an interstate ramp before I'd pay attention to Michael Savage.
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I listen to all of them from time to time. John Gibson is probably my favorite, followed by Boortz, Savage, Rush, and Hannity.
 
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#64
oklavol said:
I listen to all of them from time to time. John Gibson is probably my favorite, followed by Boortz, Savage, Rush, and Hannity.
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Since I'm in the car so much, I do the same. I just can't handle Savage though.
 
#66
#66
oklavol said:
You are so condescending and arrogant.... the man's running for president, and according to you we can't question his background?? I guess you think Michael Savage doesn't have a right to discuss his background on his radio show either? So much for free speech.
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First, Michael Savage is a sensationalist idiot. Second, John McCain spent almost six years in a POW Camp in Vietnam when he had the option to leave within his first year. Whether or not he was the greatest pilot is ridiculous to bring up. That would be akin to asking whether or not Grant or Eisenhower were crack shots, or if their appointments to USMA were somehow political and they had strings pulled.
 
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oklavol said:
You are so condescending and arrogant.... the man's running for president, and according to you we can't question his background?? I guess you think Michael Savage doesn't have a right to discuss his background on his radio show either? So much for free speech.
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To me, there's a big difference between the right to delve into and discuss these details and condoning such speech.

If Savage is doing this to denigrate McCain then it is deplorable. It is irrelevant and shows the inability to debate policy. The overused term politics of personal destruction comes to mind. Sucks if you ask me.
 
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therealUT said:
First, Michael Savage is a sensationalist idiot. Second, John McCain spent almost six years in a POW Camp in Vietnam when he had the option to leave within his first year. Whether or not he was the greatest pilot is ridiculous to bring up. That would be akin to asking whether or not Grant or Eisenhower were crack shots, or if their appointments to USMA were somehow political and they had strings pulled.
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What Savage was bringing up is this. That McCain wasn't competent as a pilot, he was accident prone. Maybe he's not competent in other areas either. McCain wasn't recommended to become a pilot, but his father the admiral pulled strings so he could be.

Then as a pilot he sunk the carrier he was on and destroyed three of his own planes in accidents before he was ever shot down.

I did a search and came up with similar info here:

McCain lost FIVE US Aircrafts
 
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#69
oklavol said:
What Savage was bringing up is this. That McCain wasn't competent as a pilot, he was accident prone. Maybe he's not competent in other areas either. McCain wasn't recommended to become a pilot, but his father the admiral pulled strings so he could be.

Then as a pilot he sunk the carrier he was on and destroyed three of his own planes in accidents before he was ever shot down.

I did a search and came up with similar info here:

McCain lost FIVE US Aircrafts
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didn't look at the link, because use of the word 'Aircrafts' gave me a very good hunch about what I'd find.
 
#70
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oklavol said:
Then as a pilot he sunk the carrier he was on and destroyed three of his own planes in accidents before he was ever shot down.

I did a search and came up with similar info here:

McCain lost FIVE US Aircrafts
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Okay here's text from your link:

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.
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In the first one - it sounds like mechanical error.

How on earth can you blame the second one (fourth). His still plane was hit by a rocket. It doesn't say he fired the rocket - if he did it's not plausible that his own rocket would hit his own plane. Also, it says the ship didn't sink.

Talk about taking facts out of context. These 2 examples do nothing to support the contention he was incompetent or a poor pilot.
 
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volinbham said:
To me, there's a big difference between the right to delve into and discuss these details and condoning such speech.

If Savage is doing this to denigrate McCain then it is deplorable. It is irrelevant and shows the inability to debate policy. The overused term politics of personal destruction comes to mind. Sucks if you ask me.
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So discussing a candidate's background and his competence in a previous position he had (as a pilot) is off limits? Corporations do it every day for people they interview but were not suppose to discuss McCain's who wants to hold the highest position in the country?
 
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volinbham said:
Okay here's text from your link:



In the first one - it sounds like mechanical error.

How on earth can you blame the second one (fourth). His still plane was hit by a rocket. It doesn't say he fired the rocket - if he did it's not plausible that his own rocket would hit his own plane. Also, it says the ship didn't sink.

Talk about taking facts out of context. These 2 examples do nothing to support the contention he was incompetent or a poor pilot.
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I don't know if this is true or not, but Savage made it sound like McCain is the one who accidently fired the rocket.
 
#75
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oklavol said:
What Savage was bringing up is this. That McCain wasn't competent as a pilot, he was accident prone. Maybe he's not competent in other areas either. McCain wasn't recommended to become a pilot, but his father the admiral pulled strings so he could be.

Then as a pilot he sunk the carrier he was on and destroyed three of his own planes in accidents before he was ever shot down.

I did a search and came up with similar info here:

McCain lost FIVE US Aircrafts
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oklavol said:
So discussing a candidate's background and his competence in a previous position he had (as a pilot) is off limits? Corporations do it every day for people they interview but were not suppose to discuss McCain's who wants to hold the highest position in the country?
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I have no other option here but to drop to the level of name calling. You are certainly showing exactly how little anyone should ever pay attention to what you have to say. Heck, using your logic, any soldier who has a couple Purple Hearts should be treated as incompetent and reckless instead of courageous and heroic.

Please, let this issue fizzle out before I have to get really p*ssed off.
 
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