Defensive Expectations

#26
#26
Our defensive line is terrible. Your platitudes aren't going to change that
The guys who played most of the snaps last year are gone. This group has had 2 years in a great S&C program, 2 years in this new Defensive system and from all accounts have "Bought IN". Have you even seen the transformation of some of these guys Physiques? I am excited to see what they can do. #AFTERBURNER
 
#27
#27
Only on VN do you hear the D is below average without even seeing one snap. Chaney is working heavily with the O line because that is what Offensive coordinators do. UT is paying JC a lot of $ so it is his responsibility to ensure the offense is solid. 6-6 is a possibility but so is 7-5 or 8-4. UT still has deficiencies but there should be improvements in all position groups. D LINE is an unknown, however I would not assume the group is bad until we see how they perform. For the first time in a long time, I feel confident that we have some legit coaches on the hill that know how to coach our players up. I could see UT losing to BYU, but we do have an advantage of playing the game at home. Most prognosticators have UT winning this game as well. I am sticking to my prediction of 7-5. Who knows, Pruitt’s VOLS could have a tremendous second year surge revitalizing the program GBO!
 
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#29
#29
Our defensive line is terrible. Your platitudes aren't going to change that

Saban 1st year...… 7-6...… 2nd year Natty 12-0 I believe...…… have faith, this team and this D-Line haven't played a single down...…. last years team isn't this years team. GBO.
 
#30
#30
I see some talk out there, y'all need to cool your jets. The defense will be below average this year, almost guaranteed. Now is the chance to adjust your expectations . 6-6 with a chance at a bowl would be a win this year.
Lowered expectations played HUGE role in getting UT to where it has been for the last 10 years. First lowered expectations from Fulmer to his players and assistants. Then lowered expectations for Fulmer where "getting there" once in a while was good enough even if he didn't win the big games. The expectations frankly have been too low for every coach since.

The back 7 on D look solid. The DL is an enigma. They have size. They have athleticism. They have no experience. BUT... that's why you spend the money to hire the kind of staff UT now has. If some sort of simple natural progression is all we're supposed to expect then the money paid to Pruitt and his staff is a MASSIVE waste. Hire cheap coaches and let the players learn at what other programs consider a normal curve. If you are bringing in guys like Rocker, Rumph, and Sherrer.... the improvement curves of your front 7 need to be MUCH better than "average".

The O-line is weakest link (again). Notice how Chaney has been working with the O-line almost exclusively? Not good.
How do you know it isn't good? You are basing this off of the open portions the media sees where they run through drills. That's probably 15 or 20 minutes out of a 2 hour practice.

Maybe Chaney simply wanted to increase reps?

Could it also be a "good" sign that they are close enough to knowing what they have that they are splitting the C's and OG's from the OT's? You are reading WAY too much into what reporters are observing for a fraction of practice. I would also say that the QB, RB, WR, and TE coaches have a much smaller task either because of experience, number of players, or simplicity of what they're doing.

As for the OL overall, IMO their problem by the end of last season was almost all physical. It wasn't guys not knowing who to block but rather the fact that 270 lb OG's usually don't handle 310 lb DT's very well. According to earlier reports, the OL's averaged adding 20+ lbs since last season ended. Pruitt stated that they entered August last year with 3 guys who weighed 300 lbs... and this year 11.

We don't know enough to issue definitive statements about whether they'll be better or be the "weakest link" again. But Pruitt thought his OL last year would surprise people before Kennedy and Smith went out. They're in better shape with or without those two this year.

If 6-6 is really good enough for you with this roster... then UT probably should have just given either Dooley or Jones a raise and extension then settled in to being a 3rd tier long term. For me... I have no interest in that scenario.


Pruitt needs at least 5 years to turn this ship around.
The simple answer is no. It is exactly that kind of low expectations that got us to where we are. Pruitt seems to know it. He's in a big hurry to show measurable improvement right away. He knows he has a measure of grace from fans and momentum with players and recruits right now that will dry up if there's no or minimal improvement in the first 3 years.

I'm not exactly sure where this "5 year" thing came from. If a coach isn't recruiting effectively enough when he's the exciting new guy to improve sooner... what on earth makes you think the nations top recruits will be attracted to a coach who hasn't done anything for 4 years?

Two 5-stars last year is great start. Problem I see is if we get embarrassed on prime time ESPN against BYU it could seriously hinder our ability to get more 5-star talent. Thoughts?
BYU is a good program who has beaten good teams lately. They beat Wisconsin and Arizona last year. A loss would be a pretty major setback IMO because it would raise the stakes for winning more of the questionable games later.

As far as two 5-stars goes, UT could end up starting Kennedy a 4*, Wright/Smith/Morris 5*, and then one of several 3/4* players who have had at least 2 years in the program.

The OL was MASSIVELY underdeveloped under Jones. UT has several 4/5* signees with several more 3* with good or, in Tatum's case excellent, offer lists.


If you are the kind of person that tries to set expectations so low that you won't be disappointed... "pump your brakes". You are no more the realist than those talking about 10 wins.
 
#31
#31
You can’t even say that with certainty. We haven’t seen these guys play anything meaningful. Lack of experience is the only thing you can say with certainty. The guys we had on the line last year may have been seniors but they weren’t all that great in the first place. We have a defensive minded coach, so I’ll be shocked if our line play is “terrible.”
unfortunately I can b/c I know people who have seen them
 
#33
#33
I see some talk out there, y'all need to cool your jets. The defense will be below average this year, almost guaranteed. Now is the chance to adjust your expectations . 6-6 with a chance at a bowl would be a win this year. The O-line is weakest link (again). Notice how Chaney has been working with the O-line almost exclusively? Not good. Pruitt needs at least 5 years to turn this ship around. Two 5-stars last year is great start. Problem I see is if we get embarrassed on prime time ESPN against BYU it could seriously hinder our ability to get more 5-star talent. Thoughts?

I'll be disappointed if the defense isnt better. They were below average most of last year with a piss poor effort in my opinion. Maybe it was lack of experience in the system, but other than the Ky game, Tennessee never seemed excited to play any of the games from the KO. If they play with some excitement, pride and effort, they can be significantly better. I want to see some people running to the ball in a bad mood.
 
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#34
#34
Our defensive line is terrible. Your platitudes aren't going to change that
That comment is as ignorant as saying "our defensive line is great". We don't know anything except they're athletic and have been shaped in UT's S&C program for over a year with this point in time in mind.

We don't know this DL is terrible, great, average, below average, or any degree within that scale. Your kneejerk negative assumption... isn't going to change any of that.
 
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#35
You can’t even say that with certainty. We haven’t seen these guys play anything meaningful. Lack of experience is the only thing you can say with certainty. The guys we had on the line last year may have been seniors but they weren’t all that great in the first place. We have a defensive minded coach, so I’ll be shocked if our line play is “terrible.”
Last year's DL with a full year in the current S&C program plus this year's back 7/8 would have been a very solid unit... and especially if the O was effective enough to sustain drives and score points.
 
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#36
#36
Your not taking into account that the Defense is going into year 2. We lost on the Dline but most guys came back. Less thinking a hell of a lot of reacting. Unleash all hell and beat on people for 4 quarters. Tennessee won’t be embarrassed by BYU Tennessee will win. Knoxville will be dry as a bone but they’ll win. The top talent will come just let it marinate a little.

DL has a lot of new faces and much to prove. We will know soon what they are capable of. I do know this, the DL that graduated last were part of some bad teams that went 4-8 and 5-7. Not solely their fault but they were part of the team. IMO, those DL recruited under butch were extremely overrated.
 
#37
#37
The problem is secondaries don't win games, the trenches do. Given the vols deficiencies in that area over the last 15 years and the lack of wins, I would expect you to know that by now.

But I’d assume you realize there is an interdependent relationship between the time the secondary can give the front 7 a chance to pressure and vice versa. So implied in your argument is “I don’t believe the talent and execution of the secondary will be enough to help improve the pass rush enough to make the defense better.”
 
#38
#38
DL has a lot of new faces and much to prove. We will know soon what they are capable of. I do know this, the DL that graduated last were part of some bad teams that went 4-8 and 5-7. Not solely their fault but they were part of the team. IMO, those DL recruited under butch were extremely overrated.

And they were on the field a lot. I think that will change under CJC maybe not as fast as we’d like but it will.
 
#39
#39
unfortunately I can b/c I know people who have seen them
Seen them what? Play live action? Run through drills? Scrimmage?

Your second hand information could be right, could be wrong, or anywhere in between. You are also presenting these unknown friends of yours as having expertise and knowledge... they may not have.

You just need to "cool your jets".
 
#41
#41
Pruitt needs at least 5 years to turn this ship around.

5 years??? No coach needs 5 whole years to turn a program around if they recruit well. That’s literally more than the time it takes for a player to come in as a freshman and graduate. We should be a top 25 team next year and a top 10-15 team in 2021 if we stay on schedule.

if we get embarrassed on prime time ESPN against BYU

BYU will not “embarrass” us, if they beat us at all it will be in a nailbiter. They occasionally pull these games off, but this is a team that for the most part has mid-major level talent. This game reminds me of Utah State in 2014 and Cincinnati 2011 coming into the game. Those Vols team weren’t very good, but we absolutely waxed the competition. I don’t know if it’s that lopsided this time, but I’d be shocked if we don’t win this game by double digits.
 
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#44
Wasn’t talking about you, was talking about the first post, must have misquoted

I think I'm part of the "some people" that you were talking about. You think I need to cool my jets on being excited about Pruitt and his staff because, you know..Dooley and Butch?
 
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#45
#45
You diagnosis is close. It could also be waking up with Jack Daniels disease.
Offense will be OK. Defense will be sound.
Being negative adds nothing but negativity and settling for mediocre brings mediocrity.

GO BIG ORANGE!
I agree with the first part of this as it is applicable to what a poster brings to the board. But the second part? How is the OP or anyone on this board, for that matter, settling for mediocrity from a simple opinion about what they think might happen?
 
#47
#47
Defensive expectation?

Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women! (I just made that up, pretty good right?)
 
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