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#51
#51
MG1968 said:
Roger Ailes never compared Obama to Osama in the first place. Here is the context of his remarks, while he was giving a speech in acceptance of an award:


If you can defend Kerry's remarks about the intelligence of the troops as a joke gone bad, then this is also clearly an attempt at humor with the butt of the joke being Bush.

Harry Reid, Senator from Nevada, once said regarding this debate that,


He now backpedals with everybody else and it has nothing to do with Roger Ailes' remarks nor with FNC's coverage of Obama.
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i'm not going to argue the intention of roger aile's remarks, it's pointless. he knew what he was sating, and that his network has made it a point to try to play up barack obama's muslim roots. he shouldn't have said it, plain and simple.

as for harry reid, maybe you should go back and read the article you linked,

But Collins and Reid wrote that comments on Thursday by FOX News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes, when he jokingly compared Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, the junior senator from Illinois, to Osama bin Laden, "went too far," and prompted Nevada Democrats to end the partnership.
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#52
#52
as for john kerry's remarks, i never defended them. i think he misspoke, but he should have been more careful. now if fox news and others can be upset with kerry for saying what he did (and they did) then why can't democrats be upset with roger ailes
 
#53
#53
volinbham said:
I find it interesting that some democrats would consider it a betrayal if other dems debated on FNC. Sounds as if you'll be blackballed if you don't follow the party line.
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a big problem with the democratic party. the members that are more left-leaning tend to distance themselves from the moderates. i found it interesting that the writer said that this would validate FNC as a news channel. I had never really thought about it that way.
 
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#54
emainvol said:
a big problem with the democratic party. the members that are more left-leaning tend to distance themselves from the moderates. i found it interesting that the writer said that this would validate FNC as a news channel. I had never really thought about it that way.
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I think they're kidding themselves if they think 1. they are the validaters and 2. it hasn't already been validated.
 
#56
#56
emainvol said:
i honestly don't think that any of the cable news channels have been "validated"
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While I will agree that certain individuals within all of our news outlets are in the pockets of other interests (some governmental, some corporate), I think you have to admit that there is a bias evident on Fox News. Their graphics department provides plenty of proof with title graphics like: "Scooter Libby Convicted on Four Counts, but did he really commit a crime?". He was just found guilty in a court of law, so yes he did commit a crime. Is it really an appropriate place to be questioning the verdict in the very graphic that informs the viewer of the event?
 
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GAVol said:
Is Fox News necessarily so hardcore right wing or is it just so out of the norm to see people on the air that are conservative that it is a shock to the system? This is an honest question.
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Exactly. FNC leans more right than CNN. MSNBC, etc...but that in no way makes them a hardcore rightwing propaganda machine.
 
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#58
First&Tenn said:
While I will agree that certain individuals within all of our news outlets are in the pockets of other interests (some governmental, some corporate), I think you have to admit that there is a bias evident on Fox News. Their graphics department provides plenty of proof with title graphics like: "Scooter Libby Convicted on Four Counts, but did he really commit a crime?". He was just found guilty in a court of law, so yes he did commit a crime. Is it really an appropriate place to be questioning the verdict in the very graphic that informs the viewer of the event?
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What the graphics of CNN sometime - it's the same thing - designed to grab attention.

The Saturday that the House passed the resolution against Iraq; NBC opened the Nightly News with this statement (paraphrasing) "The Whitehouse says the President was too busy to watch the debate over Iraq policy". These were the first words out of the anchor's mouth. Why is that the lead? The resolution passed that day - shouldn't the resolution be the lead (if the story merits the lead)? Instead, NBC chose to present it as the President is disinterested in the Iraq debate. Then they went into the real story - the resolution.

I'm not saying FNC doesn't lean right but others have the same amount of lean - just in another direction.
 
#60
#60
CNN's short article on the subject at hand:
Dems cancel debate over Fox chief's Obama joke - CNN.com

the last line from the above article:
Fox News Vice President David Rhodes responded to the debate cancellation with a written statement saying MoveOn.org owns the Democratic Party.
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did he really say that MoveOn.org "owns" the democrat party??

this is what he actually said:
"News organizations will want to think twice before getting involved in the Nevada Democratic Caucus, which appears to be controlled by radical fringe, out-of-state in interest groups, not the Nevada Democratic Party. In the past, MoveOn.org has said they 'own' the Democratic party. While most Democrats don't agree with that, it's clearly the case in Nevada."
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emainvol said:
that honestly doesn't help the argument that fox news is far right as a whole.
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you say that, yet offer no evidence of a "far right" bias. when you do, try to differentiate between the pundits and the actual news organization.
 
#63
#63
the vice president of fox news is slinging mud at the democratic party, i don't think the vice president of a news corporation would be doing such a thing without some sort of agenda. i am starting to think the line might be a bit blurred between the pundits and the organization.
 
#64
#64
Are we talking actual pundits as in hosts or just 'passing through' pundits? Because pundits as hosts on that network, company employees, are by far VERY biased to the Right.
 
#65
#65
I normally don't say anything here; I just enjoy reading the give-and-take. But, this time, I shall.

First of all, some of you believe that Fox News is an ultra right-wing news organization. That is laughable, because they are no more right-wing than CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and PBS are left-wing. As a matter of fact, I don't believe that Fox is as far right as the before-mentioned news organizations are far left. At least, Fox allows a liberal to co-host a nightly show. You won't see CNN, CBS, or PBS allow a conservative to co-host a nightly show. (Or if any of them do, I sure haven't seen it.)

Also, check the viewer ratings. Fox News has about twice as many viewers for most of their nightly shows as CNN. Even Larry King has fewer viewers than just about every Fox nightly show. And MSNBC barely registers.

It's really hilarious when some people (usually the radical left-leaning mouthpieces) damn Fox as a hard-line right-wing network. I see liberals on Fox regularly. If Fox was so reactionary right-wing, why would they allow a liberal viewpoint to be aired?

I watch Fox, mainly because they allow both sides of issues to be debated. I stopped watching CNN and CBS because they don't.
 
#66
#66
Again, you mention guest liberals....wow. Every network has those along with guest conservatives. Check the hosts of the shows along with management. Then come back and tell me that FNC is not overwhelmingly Republican.
 
#67
#67
CSpindizzy said:
Again, you mention guest liberals....wow. Every network has those along with guest conservatives. Check the hosts of the shows along with management. Then come back and tell me that FNC is not overwhelmingly Republican.
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Did you read the entire post? What about Allan Colmes? I don't believe he is a guest commentator. Fox also has a regular show with people from a cross-section of political viewpoints. I forget the name of it, but the show even has PBS pundits on it regularly........not as guests, but as regular contributors.

I try not to get into the Democrat-Republican thing. I prefer Conservative-Liberal labels. And, yes, there are more Conservatives than Liberals hosting shows on Fox. Just as there are almost nothing but liberals hosting shows on CNN, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, etc.

And that's OK too. I choose to watch Fox because I feel it is more balanced than those mentioned above. The vast majority of cable viewers must agree with me on that. Check the viewer ratings.
 
#68
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So you come up with one person who is the weakest person you can find on any position? Is that all you can do? Go down the list of hosts. Look at the head of the network. He alone is as conservative and tied to the party as one can get. He's worked with a majority of the people in the Administration over many years.

The vast majority of cable viewers? Or the vast majority of those watching news programs? Have you polled their political affiliation? How many of those viewers watching FNC are liberal/Democrats?

More balanced? Or just matching your views and attitudes?
 
#69
#69
CSpindizzy said:
So you come up with one person who is the weakest person you can find on any position? Is that all you can do? Go down the list of hosts. Look at the head of the network. He alone is as conservative and tied to the party as one can get. He's worked with a majority of the people in the Administration over many years.

The vast majority of cable viewers? Or the vast majority of those watching news programs? Have you polled their political affiliation? How many of those viewers watching FNC are liberal/Democrats?

More balanced? Or just matching your views and attitudes?
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The owner is as conservative as you can get? You can prove this?
 
#70
#70
CSpindizzy said:
So you come up with one person who is the weakest person you can find on any position? Is that all you can do? Go down the list of hosts. Look at the head of the network. He alone is as conservative and tied to the party as one can get. He's worked with a majority of the people in the Administration over many years.

The vast majority of cable viewers? Or the vast majority of those watching news programs? Have you polled their political affiliation? How many of those viewers watching FNC are liberal/Democrats?

More balanced? Or just matching your views and attitudes?
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You know what I meant.........cable news programs. And i mentioned more than one liberal.

You still haven't addressed the points made in the post. If you disagree, that's fine. I would, however, prefer some factual rebuttal instead of generalizations and questions. If you can rebut with facts, I'd love to read it. If you can't, that's OK too.
 
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A. Sane Fan said:
You know what I meant.........cable news programs. And i mentioned more than one liberal.

You still haven't addressed the points made in the post. If you disagree, that's fine. I would, however, prefer some factual rebuttal instead of generalizations and questions. If you can rebut with facts, I'd love to read it. If you can't, that's OK too.
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How have I not addressed the points? I have given several examples. You have thrown out one name as far as a liberal. One liberal among how many hosts? Fair and balanced? I have given facts. Where are yours that it is fair and balanced?
 
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#75
CSpindizzy said:
How have I not addressed the points? I have given several examples. You have thrown out one name as far as a liberal. One liberal among how many hosts? Fair and balanced? I have given facts. Where are yours that it is fair and balanced?
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I guess I missed your examples. All I noticed were generalizations and questions. Please show me the examples again. Can you name one conservative host of a regular nightly or daily program on PBS or CNN? Just one? If you can't, that's OK.
 
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