Denard thinks he could beat Bolt

#53
#53
I think a lot of things about the 40 yard dash, if it was run tomorrow, would screw over Bolt, making him lose. The fact that there's no block, the fact it's on grass...all of it. I'd take multiple NFLers over Bolt.

If Bolt had a month to prepare, I'd take him. But a surprise "hey you're going to do this" would result in him losing.
 
#54
#54
crusse10 said:
I think a lot of things about the 40 yard dash, if it was run tomorrow, would screw over Bolt, making him lose. The fact that there's no block, the fact it's on grass...all of it. I'd take multiple NFLers over Bolt.

If Bolt had a month to prepare, I'd take him. But a surprise "hey you're going to do this" would result in him losing.
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This is the closest thing to right anyone has said yet. The 100 meter sprint and the 40 yard dash are two completely different races and it is like comparing apples to oranges, both are fruit and that is about where the similarities end.

All things equal and Bolt having ample time to prepare for said event I think you must be a bonafide crazy person if you think he would lose.

I think Bolt comes on strong late in races as his strategy and he could totally reverse that insane speed burst to come at the start if he so pleases.
 
#55
#55
GatorBill said:
Shoelaces needs to worry about being the fastest guy on his team before he worries about beating the fastest man on the planet.

Then maybe think about being the fastest dude in football, because he is not that either.

Bolt does come off the blocks faster because he doesnt WANT to come off the blocks faster. Plain, and simple.

There is no way Denard beats Bolt at anything. And I promise you that Bolt can ArmPunt just as well as Denard also. So he has that going for him as well.
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I see the little brother anger coming out.
 
#58
#58
Cartervol said:
Sorry man i don't get into the SEC pride thing. I hate Bama and always will.
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I'm with you. I'd pull for the Taliban against Bama.

On the thread title, Bolt would destroy DR, like he would anyone else in the world.
 
#59
#59
crusse10 said:
I think a lot of things about the 40 yard dash, if it was run tomorrow, would screw over Bolt, making him lose. The fact that there's no block, the fact it's on grass...all of it. I'd take multiple NFLers over Bolt.

If Bolt had a month to prepare, I'd take him. But a surprise "hey you're going to do this" would result in him losing.
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You're a moron.

The fastest human ever vs maybe the third fastest guy in the Big10.

Grass or no grass Bolt would smoke any college or NFL player.

It would be an embarrassment. To say otherwise is an exercise is stupidity.
 
#60
#60
Denard's posturing strikes me as reminiscent of TJ Graham's "guarantee" of a sub-4.3 40 at the combine. He ended up credited with a 4.41.

The only thing Robinson's boast has going for it is he'll never have to prove it. OTOH he'd better bring it at the combine. I'm guessing this might be brought up around the time he's expected to run the 40.
 
#61
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GahLee said:
You're a moron.

The fastest human ever vs maybe the third fastest guy in the Big10.

Grass or no grass Bolt would smoke any college or NFL player.

It would be an embarrassment. To say otherwise is an exercise is stupidity.
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It's a different race, and Bolt is "the fastest human ever" because of his acceleration through the 2nd 50 meters of the 100m race. As I said, if Denard (or many other fast individuals) had been working up to this race and surprised Bolt with a race on any given day, they have the advantage over him, because everything about the race is foreign to him. His speed isn't in the first 10-20 yards, which is how the 40 yard dash is set up
 
#62
#62
GahLee said:
You're a moron.

The fastest human ever vs maybe the third fastest guy in the Big10.

Grass or no grass Bolt would smoke any college or NFL player.

It would be an embarrassment. To say otherwise is an exercise is stupidity.
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Saying Bolt would run a sub 4 is moronic
 
#63
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crusse10 said:
It's a different race, and Bolt is "the fastest human ever" because of his acceleration through the 2nd 50 meters of the 100m race. As I said, if Denard (or many other fast individuals) had been working up to this race and surprised Bolt with a race on any given day, they have the advantage over him, because everything about the race is foreign to him. His speed isn't in the first 10-20 yards, which is how the 40 yard dash is set up
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This is simply incorrect. Nobody is still accelerating through the 2nd half of a 100m race. A glance at split times will demonstrate how top speed is reached by around that point in the race. The perception of acceleration is merely his top speed is faster than everyone else's top speed so he keeps getting further ahead. Don't kid yourself, all these guys (elite sprinters) are hauling arse straight out of the blocks. What makes them the freaks of nature that they are is that when lesser guys have run out of speed these guys are still going.

Go back and reference my earlier post (#45) with compared 40m splits. The fact is Bolt is scalding fast period. In fact, let's improve on that. Those splits included the reaction time of the runners. How about we subtract the reaction times and see what the split times were when measuring actual time over distance?

Johnson '88. 4.66 - .132
4.528

Green '99 4.69 - .162
4.528

Powell '05 4.69 - .150
4.54

Bolt 4.64 - .146
4.494

While I realize people are (understandably) in awe of Bolt's top end speed it's bewildering as to why there's this perception of him being some kind of plodder over shorter distances. It just doesn't bear out with the facts.
 
#64
#64
This from someone who put in some serious time...

According to IAAF Analysis Split Times, Usain Bolt ran his FIRST 40m in 4.65 seconds. Subtracting his reaction time which was .165 seconds, he ran the 40m in 4.485 seconds. 40 yards is a totally different measurement than 40 meters. 40 yards is equal to approximately 36.576m
By simple ratio:
(40m/4.485)=(36.576m/X)
X=( 36.576 / (40/4.485) )
Usain Bolt's 40 yard dash would be:
A blazing 4.100 seconds.

Now let me add...bolt did have the wind at his back, the combine is indoors. Bolt did go off of blocks, I've seen that estimated at around .1 second advantage. So...with that in mind the 4.2-4.3 range is accurate.

Also, that WR run was done by Bolt 4 years go, so it's very possible that he'd be in the 4.3 range if he were to go run a 40 point being, chris Johnson would definitely make it interesting, and those suggesting sub 4 or 4 flat, well you're out of your mind.
 
#66
#66
bleedingTNorange said:
This from someone who put in some serious time...

According to IAAF Analysis Split Times, Usain Bolt ran his FIRST 40m in 4.65 seconds. Subtracting his reaction time which was .165 seconds, he ran the 40m in 4.485 seconds. 40 yards is a totally different measurement than 40 meters. 40 yards is equal to approximately 36.576m
By simple ratio:
(40m/4.485)=(36.576m/X)
X=( 36.576 / (40/4.485) )
Usain Bolt's 40 yard dash would be:
A blazing 4.100 seconds.
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Let's take the above at face value and say that Bolt ran a 4.1. This would represent actual time over distance. Fine, except we still aren't talking about anything we can compare to anyone's "football" 40 time. Our mathematician did a good job of taking Bolt's reaction time into consideration on the front end (RT's are embedded in track times) but it doesn't account for the subtracted time to make it a "football" 40. For track guys the clock starts at the gun, football 40's start AFTER the runner is already in motion and the timer starts the watch, right? So again, that RT is subtracted.

So how much to subtract? For the sake of uniformity let's just take that .165 from Bolt and use that. Sound fair? So take that 4.1 and make it a "football 40" by subtracting .165 and let that number sink in.
 
#68
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hndog609 said:
Let's take the above at face value and say that Bolt ran a 4.1. This would represent actual time over distance. Fine, except we still aren't talking about anything we can compare to anyone's "football" 40 time. Our mathematician did a good job of taking Bolt's reaction time into consideration on the front end (RT's are embedded in track times) but it doesn't account for the subtracted time to make it a "football" 40. For track guys the clock starts at the gun, football 40's start AFTER the runner is already in motion and the timer starts the watch, right? So again, that RT is subtracted.

So how much to subtract? For the sake of uniformity let's just take that .165 from Bolt and use that. Sound fair? So take that 4.1 and make it a "football 40" by subtracting .165 and let that number sink in.
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The RT is subtracted from the 4.1 time already, so why are you subtracting it twice?

Also, add in the .1 second advantage off the blocks.

Add the .5 second wind advantage he got in that race.

And now figure he is slower, he's never run another race that fast.

So you have 4.1, adding all that up, and once again, he's in the 4.2-4.3 range.
 
#69
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hndog609 said:
Let's take the above at face value and say that Bolt ran a 4.1. This would represent actual time over distance. Fine, except we still aren't talking about anything we can compare to anyone's "football" 40 time. Our mathematician did a good job of taking Bolt's reaction time into consideration on the front end (RT's are embedded in track times) but it doesn't account for the subtracted time to make it a "football" 40. For track guys the clock starts at the gun, football 40's start AFTER the runner is already in motion and the timer starts the watch, right? So again, that RT is subtracted.

So how much to subtract? For the sake of uniformity let's just take that .165 from Bolt and use that. Sound fair? So take that 4.1 and make it a "football 40" by subtracting .165 and let that number sink in.
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Also...

So Gatlin runs a 4.4+ 40 at camp, runs a 9.79 100m at Olympics.

Bolt runs x 40, and runs 9.63 100m.

So you're saying that bolt beat gatlin by .16 seconds over 100 m, but is gonna beat him by .4-.5 seconds over 36 meters?

Also considering, gatlin had bolt beat at 40m, so it'd appear gatlin is the faster of the 2 in the first 30-40.

I don't think so, that's just common sense.
 
#73
#73
I've read a lot of dumb things on the internet over the years. The idea that Denard Robinson or Chris Johnson could outrun Usain Bolt is among the top five stupidest.
 
#74
#74
Vercingetorix said:
I've read a lot of dumb things on the internet over the years. The idea that Denard Robinson or Chris Johnson could outrun Usain Bolt is among the top five stupidest.
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Denard, no. But Chris Johnson in a 40 yard dash would be much more competitive than many are thinking.
 
#75
#75
Vercingetorix said:
I've read a lot of dumb things on the internet over the years. The idea that Denard Robinson or Chris Johnson could outrun Usain Bolt is among the top five stupidest.
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I don't think it's that far fetched that the fastest couple guys in the nfl could hang with bolt in a 40yd dash on grass no blocks if he were running cold, or at least not get smoked
 
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