Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[Orangeburst]

Seems as if he wants violence.
Well FAFO I reckon.

Screw em..it is headed that way anyways

 

[hog88]

Tennessee's total tax revenue projection for fiscal year 2025, is $21.9 billion, and the proposed 2025 budget is $56 billion.

Do you need to me to do the basic math for you?

At current trends TN tax collections will end up around 21 billion. Fed dollars to TN are expected to be around 19 billion other revenue sources are expected to generate the remained of the 56 billion. Cut out the federal funds and almost all of the money Tennesseans send to DC and we can make up the shortfall. Sure it would take some belt tightening and elimination of frivolous spending simply because they can get Fed funds for it and yeah sales tax might need to be increased a bit but it's absolutely doable. I'd rather TN finance TN without Fed strings.

 

[Orangeburst]

This is not even a difficult data query. Awful.

 

[BeardedVol]

You are boxing yourself in and you don’t realize it.

Read this slowly and digest it- If we in TN do not send millions of dollars to DC and got to keep it we would have plenty to fund education. Locally we know how better to educate children.

A thirded grader can understand this.

Cool, then Tennessee can stop accepting federal funding for education and fund it locally, and nothing is going to stop them. Considering that Tennessee gets back more money from the feds than it pays, this shouldn't be an issue for Tennesseans to absorb the cost of fully funding Tennessee public education.

 

[hog88]

Cool, then Tennessee can stop accepting federal funding for education and fund it locally, and nothing is going to stop them. Considering that Tennessee gets back more money from the feds than it pays, this shouldn't be an issue for Tennesseans to absorb the cost of fully funding Tennessee public education.

Great and Tennesseans can stop sending our dollars to DC

 

[Orange_Crush]

Cool, then Tennessee can stop accepting federal funding for education and fund it locally, and nothing is going to stop them. Considering that Tennessee gets back more money from the feds than it pays, this shouldn't be an issue for Tennesseans to absorb the cost of fully funding Tennessee public education.

It would be terrible if state and local governments had to tighten their belt on spending the money they take from their citizens, just like the Feds should.

Just too terrible to consider.

I have an idea. As TN residents, we make our voices heard, asking that a TN DOGE be established.

 

[LSU-SIU]

This is not even a difficult data query. Awful.

Wait till he figures out that there is mismatch in SSA because the government (IRS) doesn't send out verification of tax status change to taxpapers. Opps.

I'm surprised all these guys are still breathing.

Virtually all of IRS records are contrary to law and they have to trick their own computer systems to collect.

 

[jaybird_1981]

Cool, then Tennessee can stop accepting federal funding for education and fund it locally, and nothing is going to stop them. Considering that Tennessee gets back more money from the feds than it pays, this shouldn't be an issue for Tennesseans to absorb the cost of fully funding Tennessee public education.

Sounds good sign me up.

 

[BeardedVol]

At current trends TN tax collections will end up around 21 billion. Fed dollars to TN are expected to be around 19 billion other revenue sources are expected to generate the remained of the 56 billion. Cut out the federal funds and almost all of the money Tennesseans send to DC and we can make up the shortfall. Sure it would take some belt tightening and elimination of frivolous spending simply because they can get Fed funds for it and yeah sales tax might need to be increased a bit but it's absolutely doable. I'd rather TN finance TN without Fed strings.

You're still pretending that Tennessee doesn't get back more money from the feds than it pays in, but that's fine for this thought exercise.

So I ask again, in your perfect world where Tennessee residents and businesses pay zero towards the federal government's operations, the Tennessee department of revenue needs to double the amount of money they bring in, or the state of Tennessee has to cut the budget down by 20 billion, correct?

So in this magical scenario where no Tennessean residents and businesses don't pay any federal taxes, which state taxes do you increase to meet the budget? Or which parts of the budget do you cut to meet the $21.9 billion in state tax revenue cap?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Great and Tennesseans can stop sending our dollars to DC

It is really odd that as we see worse than we ever expected, exposing corrupt gov't misuse of taxpayer dollars, we're told that we just need to trust the gov't more.

Force more transparency and cuts at every level of gov't.

 

[BeardedVol]

Sounds good sign me up.

You should definitely petition your state reps and let them know that you are onboard with declining any DoE funds, and willing to accept whatever state tax increase is required to meet the budget shortfall.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You're still pretending that Tennessee doesn't get back more money from the feds than it pays in, but that's fine for this thought exercise.

So I ask again, in your perfect world where Tennessee residents and businesses pay zero towards the federal government's operations, the Tennessee department of revenue needs to double the amount of money they bring in, or the state of Tennessee has to cut the budget down by 20 billion, correct?

So in this magical scenario where no Tennessean residents and businesses don't pay any federal taxes, which state taxes do you increase to meet the budget? Or which parts of the budget do you cut to meet the $21.9 billion in state tax revenue cap?

Establish a state-level DOGE to expose corruption and waste. The first option isn't to tax more. It's to spend less.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You should definitely petition your state reps and let them know that you are onboard with declining any DoE funds, and willing to accept whatever state tax increase is required to meet the budget shortfall.

Establish a state-level DOGE to expose corruption and waste. The first option isn't to tax more. It's to spend less.

Again... You're assuming that taxing more is the answer. It's crazy that, as gov't corruption and abuse is exposed, you're knee-jerk answer is to keep giving them (at least) the same amount of money to spend.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm waiting to find out how many VN posters are put on performance plans at work for gross corruption and/or feckless work, and respond by demanding a pay raise.

 

[BeardedVol]

Establish a state-level DOGE to expose corruption and waste. The first option isn't to tax more. It's to spend less.

Here's the budget, and here's the state contract database lookup, what's stopping you from ferreting out this supposed waste and corruption now?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Also, the feds don't give $$$ back to the states because they are saints. It's a control mechanism, buying the states' willingness to mandate Federal programs. Cutting the money should also cut many expensive/useless programs from the budget.

 

[BeardedVol]

Again... You're assuming that taxing more is the answer. It's crazy that, as gov't corruption and abuse is exposed, you're knee-jerk answer is to keep giving them (at least) the same amount of money to spend.

Bill Lee proposed the the budget, not me.

If you have issues with the amount of money being spent on state operations, then you should reach out to your state representatives and tell them that you want state spending slashed, regardless of the impact on state services and operations.

 

[NCFisher]

Tennessee's total tax revenue projection for fiscal year 2025, is $21.9 billion, and the proposed 2025 budget is $56 billion.

Do you need to me to do the basic math for you?

Yabbut in 2022 for example, TN paid the IRS >$95 billion.

Then, as your graph the other day pointed out, we'd get back about $20 billion with an ROI of $1 for every $4.75 we send the Fed.

I'm interested in how your basic math works.

 

[jmacvols1]

this is all the justification Trump needs to shut FEMA down for good and start prosecuting some of these bureaucrats..

 

[Orange_Crush]

Here's the budget, and here's the state contract database lookup, what's stopping you from ferreting out this supposed waste and corruption now?

Just like publicly posted federal budget items gave us transparency to know what DOGE has discovered and exposed.

Like I said, establish a TN DOGE. Create full transparency, and then come ask us for more money to keep the gov't in the lifestyle they are accustomed to.


Otherwise, they can piss off.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Bill Lee proposed the the budget, not me.

If you have issues with the amount of money being spent on state operations, then you should reach out to your state representatives and tell them that you want state spending slashed, regardless of the impact on state services and operations.

The most recent DOGE findings has heightened and affirmed my distrust of gov't. My issue is with the lack of transparency that keeps all of us from KNOWING exactly what our money is being spent on. Now is not the time try to convince me to support status quo.

 

[hog88]

You're still pretending that Tennessee doesn't get back more money from the feds than it pays in, but that's fine for this thought exercise.

So I ask again, in your perfect world where Tennessee residents and businesses pay zero towards the federal government's operations, the Tennessee department of revenue needs to double the amount of money they bring in, or the state of Tennessee has to cut the budget down by 20 billion, correct?

So in this magical scenario where no Tennessean residents and businesses don't pay any federal taxes, which state taxes do you increase to meet the budget? Or which parts of the budget do you cut to meet the $21.9 billion in state tax revenue cap?

Dude you have already took one on the chin with that falsehood the last time you posted it.

It would be 100x better for TN to double it's taxes to fund the state than to take 1 dollar of Fed money and keep sending our tax dollars to DC only to have to follow their rules to get any of it back. It's 1000x easier to get my state Rep and Senator to listen to me and replace them than it is for me to talk to or replace a federal bureaucrat or my Fed House Rep and Senator. Try thinking outside the box for once in your life.

 

[hog88]

It is really odd that as we see worse than we ever expected, exposing corrupt gov't misuse of taxpayer dollars, we're told that we just need to trust the gov't more.

Force more transparency and cuts at every level of gov't.

He's a kneeler.

 

[LouderVol]

And while the DOGE does seem to be aggressively targeting wasteful spending in the executive branch, it remains quite unclear whether those efforts will survive inevitable court challenges and whether the federal budget will actually decline (or at least grow less quickly) as a result.

The main problem in assessing the DOGE project at this point is that so much is unknown—and that much of that opacity seems to be intentional. Even the most basic things like the legal limits of Musk's role and how many staff are working for the DOGE remain unclear. More complicated questions like how much wasteful spending has been cut and whether those cuts can survive legal and congressional challenges are completely unknown. Indeed, even the most foundational aspect of what DOGE is doing—using presidential authority to block spending Congress has authorized—is on shaky legal footing. Musk is obviously moving quickly and causing a great deal of alarm within the administrative state, but it is hard to tell whether he's slashing government, breaking things, or merely putting on a big show for Trump's fans in the media and online.

Here's what we do know: The DOGE's mandate has already shifted significantly—to the point where it looks more like a more aggressive version of a Barack Obama–era project meant to streamline and digitize bureaucracy rather than the budget-cutting entity originally promised.

That might be a worthwhile goal, of course, and one that could give the president more direct control over the federal government's extensive contracting systems. But it is a considerably different one than the bold promise Musk made during the final stages of the presidential campaign: that DOGE would find $2 trillion in budget cuts.

Ramaswamy said last week that his departure from the DOGE was due to a difference in vision. Whereas he wanted to focus on cutting federal regulations and working with Congress to cut spending, as he and Musk noted in their Journal op-ed, he said the department has now "evolved from a focus on legal constitutional issues" to a focus on digital technology.

Has DOGE already lost its way?

Much cutting. Very waste. But the Department of Government Efficiency might not have the legal and budgetary chops to actually reduce spending?

reason.com

this goes back to what I have been asking this whole time, and never heard an answer.

before 1/20 I was told that DOGE was just doing a review, and was going to make a report suggesting cuts to the president. This generally made sense to me that that is the max an outside entity could do.

since 1/20 its been DOGE, itself, has been cutting X, Y, and Z. which didn't make sense to me, as far as them controlling any purse strings. how far does that power go? are things actually being cut, as they no longer exist? or are they just being added to the list/report to be cut by the president at some later date?

it is not very well explained, and its certainly not as transparent as I would like.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]