Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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ButchPlz said:
USDS has/had much broader powers than "improving the digital infrastructure civilians interface with". Part of its mission was, and remains, modernizing internal transactions between agencies and within agencies. In one agency I work with, USDS assisted the agency with setting up tools to reduce undelivered orders...i.e., obligated funds that had no contract deliveries against them OR where projects were coming in under budget. In another, they facilitated records transitions between two of the US' biggest agencies. On the customer-facing side, USDS had unlimited access to civilian user records to help build some of its UX learning models.

Again, I'm telling you- the USDS already has this access. Its employees by and large already have to be cleared (per agency requirements) and are already sweeping funds (as per precedent). For instance, as part of the UDO work, the USDS recommended if not outright ended contracts that weren't delivering. Their tools were used to "sweep" obligated funds back into the coffers. Literally no different than what DOGE is doing very loudly. Have you ever heard of the concept in government of "mid-year sweeps"?

You can bitch all you want, but you weren't bitching before. I'd rather these relatively hidden bureaucracies be turned for good for once than have them keep operating in hiding. But you do you- you didn't know it was another service before, so if you want to scream in ignorance, that's fine.
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if they had all the access before, why were they requesting it now?

and if they are being transparent now, why do you think no one knows it? They are being as transparent as they were under Obama.
 
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LouderVol said:
if they had all the access before, why were they requesting it now?

and if they are being transparent now, why do you think no one knows it? They are being as transparent as they were under Obama.
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Because they are still outside the agency, and they usually request it from the director level out of political courtesy. At the end of the day, if the President decides to grant it, he can- that's part of being part of the executive branch. How do you not understand that the executive branch has a single boss?

What do you mean "no one knows it"? You now know the agency exists, and you now see some of their activity. Until an hour ago, you had no idea what the USDS was. How is that less transparent? Talk about a logical failure.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Because they are still outside the agency, and they usually request it from the director level out of political courtesy. At the end of the day, if the President decides to grant it, he can- that's part of being part of the executive branch. How do you not understand that the executive branch has a single boss?

What do you mean "no one knows it"? You now know the agency exists, and you now see some of their activity. Until an hour ago, you had no idea what the USDS was. How is that less transparent? Talk about a logical failure.
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where did I say "less transparent" I literally said "as transparent". you guys can't be objective for anything when it comes to Trump. even over nonsense like this.

so Musk was asking whomever for clearance when Trump is the one who gives clearance? I thought he was trying to make government more efficient. that's just another step. Just because I have the same boss as our accounting people doesn't mean I walk into their office to poke thru their files or can go in and review other employee's private information. my boss would have to give me permission, and I would darn sure expect accounting to question me on that access if my boss didn't reach out to them before I showed up.

again its not the what of the matter, its the how.
 
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LouderVol said:
where did I say "less transparent" I literally said "as transparent". you guys can't be objective for anything when it comes to Trump. even over nonsense like this.

so Musk was asking whomever for clearance when Trump is the one who gives clearance? I thought he was trying to make government more efficient. that's just another step. Just because I have the same boss as our accounting people doesn't mean I walk into their office to poke thru their files or can go in and review other employee's private information. my boss would have to give me permission, and I would darn sure expect accounting to question me on that access if my boss didn't reach out to them before I showed up.

again its not the what of the matter, its the how.
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It has nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with how I know that agency operates and has operated as part of my career. You walked into this discussion blathering about it not being an "official government agency", which is wrong. Now you're trying to argue that Musk was asking "for clearance", which is a very specific thing and also wrong. That may be how the media frames it, but the USDS doesn't need "clearance" from much of anyone outside of very specific stuff outside of his reach (i.e., DoD, FBI spend beyond Top Secret), which he will almost certainly end up with anyway and will get it by following the rules.

What he was likely asking for is access to their data warehouse. That's not a "cleared" request. Trump, at any time, can demand that be given, for any executive agency. An SES trying to be a gatekeeper is precisely the problem of an unelected bureaucracy running rampant. In the end, the step you're bitching about is already there for this case. Would you prefer if he just has his team hack into it all? You'd complain about that, too.

You're a smart guy. You're getting wrapped around an axle you genuinely don't understand. Instead of immediately deflecting to the "Trump" argument, try to actually read and process what I'm saying.
 
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LouderVol said:
I have never argued to stop the audits. that is just a made up argument. I even said one of the judges went too far, but that gets ignored by those slurping on Trump too much to read what I actually say.

my whole argument the ENTIRE TIME is not what they are doing, but HOW they are doing it. that doesn't mean that every criticism they receive is legit, just like it doesn't mean that every critique is bad.

EVERYTHING Trump and or DOGE does now, enables the Democrats to do more and worse when they take the office back at some point. A runamok DOGE ran by a Democrat is just as bad as any other runamok agency. but yall are too focused on the instant gratification to see any future, despite the fact that that instant gratification attitude is exactly what lead us to our current mess.
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You want to be taken as being a fair minded both sides of the issue person. Then you use statements like "those slurpin on Trump". You mean the President that is the first in our lifetime to actually do something about BILLIONS if not trillions in waste? To cut through the BS and party double speak from both parties and talk in plain numbers? Yeah I deffinately will slurp some more rational accountability down, it's tasty. Pardon me if I don't slurp down more political hyperbole while my country comes apart and people are hurting. But the moment you make a statement like that, the less I care what you say after. I think you are at the very least educated enough to see the inflamitory language.

Your back pedaling pretending we're at the legal version of semantics and protocol. You have no evidence whatsoever they are not using normal and accepted protocol for say USDS auditing an agency. You do not have the written orders of the President either. You or I do not know the CURRENT clearance on the team. However by the language of these attackas and court orders clearly they don't either. They have basically been saying Trump as CiC doesn't have a right to look into USAID or stop waste. They didn't come across and say he forgot to fill out form 27B-6....

Everything Trump does now enables the Democrats to do what exactly? Follow the law? He should do what differently? Allow Waste and continue to ignore the constitution? Allow criminal activity? Allow USAID to continue to finance heroin trade and human trafficking? They are not mad that him for not following protocol, they are MAD that he is exposing their crimes and mismanagement. At what point should we expect either party to expose their mismanagement if not Trump? Best most of us can tell, this is the first President in the last 50-60 year to take on corruption in BOTH parties. Which is why corruption in both parties despise him. Why do you "slurp" corruption?

We're confused? No Sir you are confused, and I think frankly disingenuous also. Your so used to looking at it as My Team vs your team like a sport the ideas of rule of law, and hard science numbers eludes your frame of reference. This isn't even about "if Trump does it they'll do it." That was teh most assinine of comments. I personally hope every President in my lifetime from now on Audits the agencies cuts waste, and and follows constitutional Law. This isn't a tit for tat. This is Corruption and crimal activity, vs accountability and rule of law. This isn't quid pro quo, this is the idea of accountability and justice.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It would be terrible if state and local governments had to tighten their belt on spending the money they take from their citizens, just like the Feds should.

Just too terrible to consider.

I have an idea. As TN residents, we make our voices heard, asking that a TN DOGE be established.
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It's already started elsewhere. It will happen here too eventually.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
You want to be taken as being a fair minded both sides of the issue person. Then you use statements like "those slurpin on Trump". You mean the President that is the first in our lifetime to actually do something about BILLIONS if not trillions in waste? To cut through the BS and party double speak from both parties and talk in plain numbers? Yeah I deffinately will slurp some more rational accountability down, it's tasty. Pardon me if I don't slurp down more political hyperbole while my country comes apart and people are hurting. But the moment you make a statement like that, the less I care what you say after. I think you are at the very least educated enough to see the inflamitory language.

Your back pedaling pretending we're at the legal version of semantics and protocol. You have no evidence whatsoever they are not using normal and accepted protocol for say USDS auditing an agency. You do not have the written orders of the President either. You or I do not know the CURRENT clearance on the team. However by the language of these attackas and court orders clearly they don't either. They have basically been saying Trump as CiC doesn't have a right to look into USAID or stop waste. They didn't come across and say he forgot to fill out form 27B-6....

Everything Trump does now enables the Democrats to do what exactly? Follow the law? He should do what differently? Allow Waste and continue to ignore the constitution? Allow criminal activity? Allow USAID to continue to finance heroin trade and human trafficking? They are not mad that him for not following protocol, they are MAD that he is exposing their crimes and mismanagement. At what point should we expect either party to expose their mismanagement if not Trump? Best most of us can tell, this is the first President in the last 50-60 year to take on corruption in BOTH parties. Which is why corruption in both parties despise him. Why do you "slurp" corruption?

We're confused? No Sir you are confused, and I think frankly disingenuous also. Your so used to looking at it as My Team vs your team like a sport the ideas of rule of law, and hard science numbers eludes your frame of reference. This isn't even about "if Trump does it they'll do it." That was teh most assinine of comments. I personally hope every President in my lifetime from now on Audits the agencies cuts waste, and and follows constitutional Law. This isn't a tit for tat. This is Corruption and crimal activity, vs accountability and rule of law. This isn't quid pro quo, this is the idea of accountability and justice.
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Preach brother!!!
 
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Let's get this straight.... We found out the U.S. Government has been sending billions on everything from growing Opium, sending money to terrorist organizations, weaponizing press and media world wide, straight up money laundering and sending money to politicians family members......

And the response is to argue about Elon's security clearance? Or Protocol? Or Whether the Chief executive needs permission to audit his own executive branch of government?

Who do some of you think your convincing? The Democrats not only got caught with their pants down, they have been caught in multiple acts of treason, and international crime here. Honestly not just the Democrats a large number of Republicans are right there with themm in the criminal activity and corruption per the IRI ....and meantime you're talking about absolute unimportant minescule BS. This is why everyone hates Democrats (and RINO's, and the sheep that suck up to them) and no matter how unpopular the USAID paid media gas lights you, trust me every metric shows the Democratic party is hated far far far worse then Trump. He will continue to draw large crows and ovations, while the DNC is absolutely detested.

If you want to completely end the Democratic Party forever or any vestige of what you think that once stood for in any postive way...keep it up. Keep ignoring the obvious and keep playing double speak and semantics.... Because right now what the world sees is Crime, Tyranny, police state, bureaucrat tyrants, drug trafficking, human trafficking, propoganda, etc, and some of the most corrupt state craft in world history that would even make Joseph Stalin blush.

As they say, "You go ahead and test that theory of ignoring reality , and then take note of the results."
FAFO.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to fix what is a very very broken machine. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone could be so self deluded NOT to want to see their own nation do better.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Let's get this straight.... We found out the U.S. Government has been sending billions on everything from growing Opium, sending money to terrorist organizations, weaponizing press and media world wide, straight up money laundering and sending money to politicians family members......

And the response is to argue about Elon's security clearance? Or Protocol? Or Whether the Chief executive needs permission to audit his own executive branch of government?

Who do some of you think your convincing? The Democrats not only got caught with their pants down, they have been caught in multiple acts of treason, and international crime here. Honestly not just the Democrats a large number of Republicans are right there with themm in the criminal activity and corruption per the IRI ....and meantime you're talking about absolute unimportant minescule BS. This is why everyone hates Democrats (and RINO's, and the sheep that suck up to them) and no matter how unpopular the USAID paid media gas lights you, trust me every metric shows the Democratic party is hated far far far worse then Trump. He will continue to draw large crows and ovations, while the DNC is absolutely detested.

If you want to completely end the Democratic Party forever or any vestige of what you think that once stood for in any postive way...keep it up. Keep ignoring the obvious and keep playing double speak and semantics.... Because right now what the world sees is Crime, Tyranny, police state, bureaucrat tyrants, drug trafficking, human trafficking, propoganda, etc, and some of the most corrupt state craft in world history that would even make Joseph Stalin blush.

As they say, "You go ahead and test that theory of ignoring reality , and then take note of the results."
FAFO.

This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to fix what is a very very broken machine. I can't for the life of me how anyone could be so self deluded NOT to want to see their own nation do better.
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