Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[Vol8188]

I think we can find 7% or 15% pretty easily if we wanted to....

Maybe. Hard to say, but it’s for sure possible. What I’ve supported for years is keeping the number of troops the same but dramatically reducing the number of overseas bases. If I’m not mistaken we have at least 5 bases in Japan.

Reducing foreign bases is a boost in two ways. First you get the obvious benefit of reduced costs, but second you get the additional benefit of increased spending in local economies once those troops are redistributed.

So I won’t proclaim I’m opposed to military cuts in general. I am opposed to reducing our capabilities

 

[Vol8188]

This is a wild take.

"Well, we're sick and no one can get grants for education...but at least the nukes are safe!"

It’s not even slightly wild. If your education is a net benefit to you, then you shouldn’t expect the rest of the country to pay for it.

If you don’t live in a safe country, education becomes much lower on your priority list and education grants are not an essential government function.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I’ve never said take it off the table completely. I’m open to things like cutting overseas bases that would really in significant budget cuts.

But like I’ve said many times, there’s not as much meat on this bone as there has been in the past. The false notion that the dod budget is our primary spending issue is a left over Cold War relic

No one has said that we should cut the DoD spending and call it a day.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I would offer we have more than enough money to fulfill the obligated defensive capabilities

Stop playing world-police. Stop ginning up endless global conflict. There'd be HUGE cuts available.

 

[Vol8188]

No one has said that we should cut the DoD spending and call it a day.

Right. You still seem to be intentionally ignoring my point. The DOD budget has been the number one focus of probably 50 years or more.

My point is that it’s not as inflated as it previously was

 

[Orange_Crush]

Right. You still seem to be intentionally ignoring my point. The DOD budget has been the number one focus of probably 50 years or more.

My point is that it’s not as inflated as it previously was

OK. But I haven't ignored your point. I've actually implicitly agreed.

Either you're ignoring my point, or arguing just to argue. I'll give you that maybe it's not as big an area as the past. Cut it anyway. Unless you disagree with leaving it on the table with everything else, then why do we need to continue to argue the point?

 

[Vol8188]

OK. But I haven't ignored your point. I've actually implicitly agreed.

Either you're ignoring my point, or arguing just to argue. I'll give you that maybe it's not as big an area as the past. Cut it anyway. Unless you disagree with leaving it on the table with everything else, then why do we need to continue to argue the point?

Fair

 

[jwells]

It’s not even slightly wild. If your education is a net benefit to you, then you shouldn’t expect the rest of the country to pay for it.

If you don’t live in a safe country, education becomes much lower on your priority list and education grants are not an essential government function.

Tell us you don't understand the DOE or public education without telling us. I sleep better knowing our children are educated and fed.
TN schools would be absolutely SUNK without DOE funds. As long as someone is smart enough to pull the trigger, though, right?

 

[Vol8188]

Tell us you don't understand the DOE or public education without telling us. I sleep better knowing our children are educated and fed.
TN schools would be absolutely SUNK without DOE funds. As long as someone is smart enough to pull the trigger, though, right?

I taught for a decade and I have a master’s degree. I know more than most on the topic, granted I won’t claim to know everything.

Children were fed and educated before the DOE. They’ll continue to be after.

Given we live in a world with food stamps, food banks, and countless charities, there’s no excuse for not feeding your child.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Tell us you don't understand the DOE or public education without telling us. I sleep better knowing our children are educated and fed.
TN schools would be absolutely SUNK without DOE funds. As long as someone is smart enough to pull the trigger, though, right?

Post the stats for us that tell us that the DoE is money well spent. I'll start:

US Education Statistics and Data Trends: public school spending, educational attainment, and more

Find statistics and data trends about the American education system: public and private programs from preschools to colleges and universities that serve millions of students in urban and rural settings. We visualize, explain and provide objective context using government data to help you better...

usafacts.org

 

[hog88]

Tell us you don't understand the DOE or public education without telling us. I sleep better knowing our children are educated and fed.
TN schools would be absolutely SUNK without DOE funds. As long as someone is smart enough to pull the trigger, though, right?

If the federal government wasn't sucking up so much of our tax dollars and mandating spending on useless crap TN could easily fund it's public schools internally. The bold in your post is ignoring several facts.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The feds need to be out of education. See student loans.

This should be a state/local issue

 

[Orange_Crush]

If the federal government wasn't sucking up so much of our tax dollars and mandating spending on useless crap TN could easily fund it's public schools internally. The bold in your post is ignoring several facts.

DoE money has been the hook that gets woke indoctrination into public schools.

 

[jwells]

If the federal government wasn't sucking up so much of our tax dollars and mandating spending on useless crap TN could easily fund it's public schools internally. The bold in your post is ignoring several facts.

No, it's not. TN relies on Federal grants for about 40% of its funding.
TN is a welfare queen. We take in more than we send to Washington.

 

[jwells]

DoE money has been the hook that gets woke indoctrination into public schools.

No one is woke indoctrinating children as a federal policy.

 

[jwells]

Post the stats for us that tell us that the DoE is money well spent. I'll start:

US Education Statistics and Data Trends: public school spending, educational attainment, and more

Find statistics and data trends about the American education system: public and private programs from preschools to colleges and universities that serve millions of students in urban and rural settings. We visualize, explain and provide objective context using government data to help you better...

usafacts.org

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If you don't think educating and feeding kids is important, that says a lot about you as a person.

 

[jwells]

I taught for a decade and I have a master’s degree. I know more than most on the topic, granted I won’t claim to know everything.

Children were fed and educated before the DOE. They’ll continue to be after.

Given we live in a world with food stamps, food banks, and countless charities, there’s no excuse for not feeding your child.

And how were poor children fed? Federal money. You underestimate the number of kids who go hungry when school isn't in session. We can't fix their parents, but we can make sure they have what they need while here.
And how do food stamps work? Federal money.
Title I, nutrition grants, basic funding grants, equity in sports, student aid for college....idk why these are bad to you.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If you don't think educating and feeding kids is important, that says a lot about you as a person.

If you think pouring money into not educating kids, in the name of educating kids, is the answer, then that says more about your intellect than me as a person.

Noted that you ignored the damning statistics in favor of personal attack.

A lot of dumbassery has been propagated in the name of "For the Childrens" chants in lieu of fact-based responses.

 

[hog88]

No, it's not. TN relies on Federal grants for about 40% of its funding.
TN is a welfare queen. We take in more than we send to Washington.

This statement has been debunked numerous times.

Yes, and why do states require so much federal funding for education? It's because the feds soak up so much of our taxes and then put requirements on states to get that money back, cut the fed out, stop sending so much money to DC and let the states tax their citizens to support public schools. Cut out the damn middle man.

 

[hog88]

If you don't think educating and feeding kids is important, that says a lot about you as a person.

You are one dimensional in your thinking.

Are you positing that without the federal government states wouldn't feed or educate their kids?

 

[jwells]

You are one dimensional in your thinking.

Are you positing that without the federal government states wouldn't feed or educate their kids?

With federal funding some states are barely feeding and educating.

 

[hog88]

With federal funding some states are barely feeding and educating.

So then you agree with me, federal funding should end.

 

[jwells]

This statement has been debunked numerous times.

Yes, and why do states require so much federal funding for education? It's because the feds soak up so much of our taxes and then put requirements on states to get that money back, cut the fed out, stop sending so much money to DC and let the states tax their citizens to support public schools. Cut out the damn middle man.

TN in the top-10 for federal dependence.

We have a higher than average poverty rate. Tennessee wants to take the money we do have and funnel to wealthy families for church schools.

The "middle man" makes states follow the rules. You're arguing about overhead. Negligible.

 

[jwells]

So then you agree with me, federal funding should end.

Uh, no. I'm saying that we can't afford to lose the funding.

 

[Vol8188]

And how were poor children fed? Federal money. You underestimate the number of kids who go hungry when school isn't in session. We can't fix their parents, but we can make sure they have what they need while here.
And how do food stamps work? Federal money.
Title I, nutrition grants, basic funding grants, equity in sports, student aid for college....idk why these are bad to you.

Amazing that they survive 2 months a year.

Food stamp being federally funded has zero to do with the question of is the department of education a necessity.

lol and then you just end with a random list of nonsense.