Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[jwells]

If you think pouring money into not educating kids, in the name of educating kids, is the answer, then that says more about your intellect than me as a person.

Noted that you ignored the damning statistics in favor of personal attack.

A lot of dumbassery has been propagated in the name of "For the Childrens" chants in lieu of fact-based responses.

Your "damning statistics" were a couple of screenshots. TN is well below the average per pupil spending -- like 30% less.

And of course test scores went down post-Covid. How do kids take a test and score as well as previous cohorts after losing so much class time?

 

[jwells]

Amazing that they survive 2 months a year.

Food stamp being federally funded has zero to do with the question of is the department of education a necessity.

lol and then you just end with a random list of nonsense.

It is amazing. Imagine these families getting by the other 10 without it. Feeding kids shouldn't be a politicized issue. It's part of education.

 

[jwells]

Amazing that they survive 2 months a year.

Food stamp being federally funded has zero to do with the question of is the department of education a necessity.

lol and then you just end with a random list of nonsense.

It's a "random list" of things the Department of Education does.

If wouldn't be necessary if states did things the right way. But they don't.

 

[Vol8188]

TN in the top-10 for federal dependence.

We have a higher than average poverty rate. Tennessee wants to take the money we do have and funnel to wealthy families for church schools.

The "middle man" makes states follow the rules. You're arguing about overhead. Negligible.

Weird you both seem to support federal funding and ostracize the state for taking it.

You may not like the answer to why we are high in federal dependence. The unfortunate answer is it’s highly correlated with racial breakdown of states. That’s why places like MS are normally so high.

And you’re all over the map with your complaints. Can you focus in on one topic?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Your "damning statistics" were a couple of screenshots. TN is well below the average per pupil spending -- like 30% less.

And of course test scores went down post-Covid. How do kids take a test and score as well as previous cohorts after losing so much class time?

It seems that your great defense per the statistics is that I shared them?

 

[jwells]

It seems that your great defense per the statistics is that I shared them?

What's the point? You posted 2 things.
TN underfunds. TN underperforms states that fund higher.
All states saw drops from Covid, regardless of overall funding. Because that's seat-time not daily spend.

 

[jwells]

Weird you both seem to support federal funding and ostracize the state for taking it.

You may not like the answer to why we are high in federal dependence. The unfortunate answer is it’s highly correlated with racial breakdown of states. That’s why places like MS are normally so high.

And you’re all over the map with your complaints. Can you focus in on one topic?

No, I'm saying we rely on that money and can't do without it.

I think you're ascribing to race a poverty issue as well as long-standing issues from segregation and underfunding.

 

[hog88]

TN in the top-10 for federal dependence.

We have a higher than average poverty rate. Tennessee wants to take the money we do have and funnel to wealthy families for church schools.

The "middle man" makes states follow the rules. You're arguing about overhead. Negligible.

Try again.

Which states rely the most on federal aid?

And who makes the Feds follow the rules?

 

[Vol8188]

No, I'm saying we rely on that money and can't do without it.

I think you're ascribing to race a poverty issue as well as long-standing issues from segregation and underfunding.

Sure we could.

 

[Orange_Crush]

What's the point? You posted 2 things.
TN underfunds. TN underperforms states that fund higher.
All states saw drops from Covid, regardless of overall funding. Because that's seat-time not daily spend.

Did you visit the link? Those weren't TN stats. They were national stats.

Covid is a lame excuse. We're four years out. You're actually arguing that the system that's proven itself incapable of traversing such issues is the system that needs to be defended.

Further, the same federal government that mandated the shutdown is the federal government that you're propping up.

 

[jwells]

Try again.

Which states rely the most on federal aid?

And who makes the Feds follow the rules?

Oh, my bad. We're 14 now. 20billion. Which rules are the feds not following?

 

[jwells]

Did you visit the link? Those weren't TN stats. They were national stats.

Covid is a lame excuse. We're four years out. You're actually arguing that the system that's proven itself incapable of traversing such issues is the system that needs to be defended.

Further, the same federal government that mandated the shutdown is the federal government that you're propping up.

The photo was literally data from 2022. So testing that occurred directly following kids missing crazy amounts of school + disrupted education for 2 years.
We are 4 years out. But that data wasn't.

I don't recall any time the federal government mandated a shut down. States dictate that.

 

[Vol8188]

If you don't think educating and feeding kids is important, that says a lot about you as a person.

What a pathetic and ignorant argument.

“If you don’t think it’s the role of schools to feed your kids, clearly you just want kids to starve and you’re a bad person”….

Lmfao amazingly disingenuous.

 

[VOLS INC.]

What a pathetic and ignorant argument.

“If you don’t think it’s the role of schools to feed your kids, clearly you just want kids to starve and you’re a bad person”….

Lmfao amazingly disingenuous.

It’s how the lefties argue these days. “If you don’t affirm a child’s gender you clearly want them to commit suicide, making you a bad person”.

“If you want voter ID laws, you hate black people, making you a bad person”

“If you didn’t vote for Kamala, you are a racist and a sexist, making you a bad person”.

Maher talks about this a lot. The laziness of modern-day liberalism.

 

[jwells]

What a pathetic and ignorant argument.

“If you don’t think it’s the role of schools to feed your kids, clearly you just want kids to starve and you’re a bad person”….

Lmfao amazingly disingenuous.

I think it is the role of the school to feed kids. That it hasn't been that way is an issue. They're required to be there. Feed them.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The photo was literally data from 2022. So testing that occurred directly following kids missing crazy amounts of school + disrupted education for 2 years.
We are 4 years out. But that data wasn't.

I don't recall any time the federal government mandated a shut down. States dictate that.

Read up. We're still in trouble now. That's the point. The rallying cry now is, "What chance do those poor kids have now since they are not recovering?" Here's from an article from June 2024:



Since you take issue with screenshots, here's a quote:

"Growth has slowed to lag pre-pandemic rates, resulting in achievement gaps that continue to widen, and in some cases, now surpass what we had previously deemed as the low point," the report from NWEA says. The report analyzes recent test score data from third- to eighth-grade students in 22,400 public schools nationwide.

"It's disheartening to say the least," said Karyn Lewis, one of the authors of the study and the director of research and policy partnerships at NWEA, referencing the lack of progress from the prior year to the most recent school year. The widening achievement gaps in sixth-, seventh- and eighth-grade reading levels are especially concerning, she said. The research shows students' reading achievement in those grades dropped below pre-pandemic averages.

This is interesting... In spite of billions of dollars of federal money SINCE COVID, the dumbing down of American kids is worsening.

Cardona urged schools at the time to leverage the billions of dollars the Biden administration made available through the American Rescue Plan to combat the decline in academic progress.

American students are losing ground in reading and math as COVID relief dollars run dry

New research published Tuesday shows eighth graders are a full year behind in reading and math four years after the start of the COVID pandemic.

www.usatoday.com

And... That's the entire point of the discussion. The federal moneys buy federal policy into state education.

The federal government basically paid schools to close in much the same way that they took federal tax money and paid businesses to close while paying for their employees not to work.

 

[Vol8188]

I think it is the role of the school to feed kids. That it hasn't been that way is an issue. They're required to be there. Feed them.

School…food…huh?

Not the role of the parent, not the role of other random government agencies, but specifically of schools?

Explain. My job requires me to show up. Should they be forced to provide lunch?

And anyone who disagrees with you is a bad person?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think it is the role of the school to feed kids. That it hasn't been that way is an issue. They're required to be there. Feed them.

I am not a fan of socialism. The government spending someone else's money to fix someone else's problem is the LEAST EFFICIENT form of spent money. It wastes resources on bureaucratic overhead. It has people who don't value the money, spending it on solutions that generally don't benefit them.

The most efficient form of spent money is when someone spends their own money on problems that affect them and those they love. In that case, they get the most for their money.

Asking the gov't to fix these things is like asking a stranger to buy you a car. You end up paying $9,000 for an old Chevy Chevette, giving the stranger a $1000 finder's fee, and wondering why you're walking to work.

I am a huge fan of volunteerism. Since you feel it the role of schools to feed kids, voluntarily give your money to feed the kids. Call the IRS up and ask them to earmark a larger % of your income to fund school meals. (But a better solution would be to organize a private charity to take donations and feed kids. Everyone would have more money to give to that if the feds would stop taking all of our money while they fail audits as to where it's all gone.)

 

[hog88]

What a pathetic and ignorant argument.

“If you don’t think it’s the role of schools to feed your kids, clearly you just want kids to starve and you’re a bad person”….

Lmfao amazingly disingenuous.

Some people just can't wrap their head around the idea of personal responsibility and the fact we as a country fed and educated our children prior to the Feds ever getting involved.

 

[hog88]

I think it is the role of the school to feed kids. That it hasn't been that way is an issue. They're required to be there. Feed them.

It's not the government's role to feed kids. It's the sole responsibility of the parents.

 

[volfanhill]

School…food…huh?

Not the role of the parent, not the role of other random government agencies, but specifically of schools?

Explain. My job requires me to show up. Should they be forced to provide lunch?

And anyone who disagrees with you is a bad person?

Your job clearly is heartless, wants you to starve to death, and are ran by bad people

 

[Orange_Crush]

Some people just can't wrap their head around the idea of personal responsibility and the fact we as a country fed and educated our children prior to the Feds ever getting involved.

We have a couple of generations of families that are locked into generational poverty, in large part because our federal government pays them to live in poverty. The federal welfare system is designed to get people INTO poverty, not get them out.

If they don't work, we pay them. If they have more kids, we pay them more. If there is no father in the house, we pay them more.

We literally incentivize people to break up families and have more kids than they can support, then use the argument, "The gov't needs more of your tax dollars to feed the hungry kids that your tax dollars are incentivizing."

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

We have a couple of generations of families that are locked into generational poverty, in large part because our federal government pays them to live in poverty. The federal welfare system is designed to get people INTO poverty, not get them out.

If they don't work, we pay them. If they have more kids, we pay them more. If there is no father in the house, we pay them more.

We literally incentivize people to break up families and have more kids than they can support, then use the argument, "The gov't needs more of your tax dollars to feed the hungry kids that your tax dollars are incentivizing."

I don't think you can get welfare if you're able to work and choose not to do so

 

[utvolpj]

It's not the government's role to feed kids. It's the sole responsibility of the parents.

But let's face it, some parents absolutely suck. The after school care we're involved with is the only place many kids get a meal and school work help. They get meals and snacks on Friday to help them make it thru the weekend. Holidays and summer are especially hard since there's no real schedule and you know they're not eating well. I've also instructed my kids to pay attention and if any of their friends are denied full lunch due to money then they are to buy it for them. Has happened a couple of times that I know of because my kids let us know (they were worried we would be upset).

I'm not sure I'm in favor of feeding them all but there's something to said for having them all in one place with capable facilities. This is one I struggle with quite often

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't think you can get welfare if you're able to work and choose not to do so

Meet up with me and I'll take you down to the public housing complexes. I'll introduce you to lots of able-bodied people who have learned to stay on welfare from their mothers and grandmothers. Job applications are foreign to a large percentage of them.