Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[McDad]

I can't get with this. Lying is a means to an end but the end isn't cuts, it's just conversation? Conversation devoid of trust. What good is that?

We are spiraling head first further and further into the no-trust, fake news era, and that's not good.

At the risk of sounding like a grumpy (ier???) old man, trust has eroded for decades. Congressional approval numbers are consistently in the teens. It isn't a new phenomena. It's just on new platforms that bypass the normal filtering and spin processes. The lies are much more direct than they've ever been.

At this point, I think it is just conversation. I am glad it is being discussed to this degree.

 

[McDad]

Why not just say we spend $14 trillion a year on diapers for cheetahs in Zimbabwe? And then the other side can present their own complete falsehoods? After all, sparking conversation is the ultimate goal

It's a good rhetorical. I think for the marketing to be effective is has to strike a nerve. I think the nerve of anger is more of a hot button than the nerve of humor.

 

[whodeycin85]

When did we care who was running things? This new found accountability by the left is remarkable. Welcome to the conservative side my friend, it takes some longer than others to want to want accountability. We are a few weeks removed from

Anita Dunn
Steve Richhetti
Mike Donilon
Jeff Zients
Ron Klain
Bob Bower
Jill and Hunter Biden
Obama team

Running the country and the left seemed to not mind.

Wish they asked for this much proof when they were falsely making claim against Trump....

 

[whodeycin85]

First off, creating a webpage in less than a month for public consumption is a HUGE accomplishment. Try doing that at any company.

Second, I agree that DOGE may be rushing out reporting but this poster is still failing to actual state that this isn't waste. The programs are there and it is showing where the money is going. You can nit-pick on little facts but the corruption is in full view.

We can second guess what DOGE does with this information but you cannot second guess the waste and issues with the Federal Government that have been exposed and probably was knowledgeable for anyone that ever had to work with a Federal Agency. I do think some are more accurate/efficient than others. I have always had great experiences with IRS, for example.

I wonder what the point of asking for proof of your not going to believe the info that's provided as proof...seems like a pointless endeavor.

 

[Vol423]

What other federal agency hides their leadership structure? Why are you so vehemently against us knowing who is in charge? Very curious

You never seemed too concerned not knowing who was running the entire US government when Dementia Joe was in office. Why is that?

 

[whodeycin85]

It is for a major organization because they have to run all information by teams like Procurement, Legal, etc. They have to make sure there are proper safe guards against hacking and the higher the traffic, the more strain a webpage take.

I created website back in the day on one of those cheap web makers. It isn't the same. If I had gotten a fraction of the traffic their website got, it would have crashed.

Also, from what I gather, it has already been hacked once.

Your not allow to challenge the great PJ. He is in IT..

 

[NashVol11]

I wonder what the point of asking for proof of your not going to believe the info that's provided as proof...seems like a pointless endeavor.

It actually makes perfect sense to keep missing the deadlines for providing evidence when your "evidence" is indisputably BS, unless you also think that $8,000,000 is 8 billion

 

[utvolpj]

You never seemed too concerned not knowing who was running the entire US government when Dementia Joe was in office. Why is that?

I actually called it out for years but nice try.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't know. When they get done, you could do a FOIA for all their work. Spend 1000s hours on it and post your results.

I don't know about the coward part, what do you want me to do exactly? Nobody is requiring you to melt, melting is a cowardly act, imo and a serious mental symptom.

The instructions were clear. I want you to call a lie a lie so that you could demonstrate you live in reality. You couldn't do it. You don't need FOIA to see that they claimed $8m was $8B. You don't need FOIA to see they are declaring that Musk doesn't work for DOGE.

 

[NashVol11]

Wish they asked for this much proof when they were falsely making claim against Trump....

You never seemed too concerned not knowing who was running the entire US government when Dementia Joe was in office. Why is that?

Reflexive whataboutism aside, are you saying you don't need evidence for the claim that they've "saved" 55 billion dollars? If they said 55 trillion would you still believe that without evidence?

 

[utvolpj]

Your not allow to challenge the great PJ. He is in IT..

I presented facts yet you continue to come with this weak, chronically misspelled ****

 

[whodeycin85]

It actually makes perfect sense to keep missing the deadlines for providing evidence when your "evidence" is indisputably BS, unless you also think that $8,000,000 is 8 billion

Here is the issue...have your personally seen what is being reported...no your are hearing what your bias wants to hear from people who you seem tell it...anything told to you whether back by hard evidence or not will be disputed by you and your type because of your bias ..same as someone who blindly accepts what Elon is saying....right now...a month in very little hard evidence is going to be allowed out...but there is more conversation around spending then ever before and that's the point ...if in a year nothing concreted comes out then you'll have people agreeing with you...until the. Is just accepting your/my own bias on what we believe. Patience let's see what happens

 

[whodeycin85]

Reflexive whataboutism aside, are you saying you don't need evidence for the claim that they've "saved" 55 billion dollars? If they said 55 trillion would you still believe that without evidence?

You didn't need proof on who was running the government... Unless your dumb enough to think it really was Biden

 

[utvolpj]

Here is the issue...have your personally seen what is being reported.

Yes. The receipts are all over if you're interested

 

[LSU-SIU]

The instructions were clear. I want you to call a lie a lie so that you could demonstrate you live in reality. You couldn't do it. You don't need FOIA to see that they claimed $8m was $8B. You don't need FOIA to see they are declaring that Musk doesn't work for DOGE.

It would be a lie if they did it on purpose or willfully blindly allowed it to happen. I have no idea if its a lie, I haven't looked at any of it, nor do I have any idea if its a lie in any way.... nor do I have information or am I suspicious anyone is on a willful path to try and deceive me.

I'm not sure what mental problem you have, but you're barking up the wrong tree.

You don't need FOIA to see they are declaring that Musk doesn't work for DOGE.

True, but you can confirm it if you wish by doing a FOIA. Not seeing the point yet again.

The reality is, you're not in it.

 

[whodeycin85]

I presented facts yet you continue to come with this weak, chronically misspelled ****

I was simply letting him know the who on charge and who post can be challenged.. Don't be so sensitive... It's a bad look

 

[NashVol11]

You didn't need proof on who was running the government... Unless your dumb enough to think it really was Biden

Running from a simple yes-or-no question. Are you saying you DON'T need evidence for "55 billion" in savings, or arguing just to argue?

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Why would people throw their own money away?

That was my point.

 

[utvolpj]

I was simply letting him know the who on charge and who post can be challenged.. Don't be so sensitive... It's a bad look

What nonsense are you rambling on about now? I'm not in charge and feel free to challenge my posts if you want.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

DOGE claims 55 billion in savings to date

16 billion of that "claim" is on the wall of receipts (To be fair, some are contracts and may take additional time to load)

Of that 16 billion, 7.992 billion is not knowing the difference between 8,000,000 and 8,000,000,000.00.

Im glad we found some waste already. Got a long way to go.

 

[Majors]

Wish they asked for this much proof when they were falsely making claim against Trump....

Because they wanted it to be true then to actually believe they were lied to.

 

[LouderVol]

What I find most interesting in the "marketing" Elon and DJT are doing is that it is grabbing people's attention. Some (maybe most) of the "fraud" that's been broadcast has been something that was already known according to other posters. Well, that my very well be true but we certainly weren't talking about it.
Personally, if they have to be bombastic and exaggerate what they are finding, or lie about it, I don't care. It is being introduced into conversations now because of how they are going about it.

I remain at 0% belief that any cuts to overall spending will happen, though.

I think its problematic. its driving the political divide. using terms like "fraud" makes someone a criminal, rather than reporting it accurately as "waste". how many calls of treason have been seen on the board recently, something that comes with the death penalty, when the end action was actually something approved by the government, complying with the relevant laws.

Personally, I would push back more if I am being accused of fraud, than I would if I was accused of being wasteful. they are creating more resistance than there needs to be with the language they use.

it also just muddies the water, boy who cried wolf style. "fraud" vs fraud. like racism or any other catch all term, the overapplication of it makes it lose its impact. sure currently it is driving conversation, but what happens in 3 months, once we have moved on to the next Windmill to joust at? LARGEST FRAUD IN OUR HISTORY is hard to keep selling and drawing attention to.

They are the government, they should be careful of the words they use. they need to use concise and precise language, as it all carries great weight.

 

[Majors]

It actually makes perfect sense to keep missing the deadlines for providing evidence when your "evidence" is indisputably BS, unless you also think that $8,000,000 is 8 billion

It’s gets the those looking for a gotcha moment to be active and acknowledging waste. Pretty brilliant as they get mad because of a clerical error and not the waste itself.

 

[hndog609]

At the risk of sounding like a grumpy (ier???) old man, trust has eroded for decades. Congressional approval numbers are consistently in the teens. It isn't a new phenomena. It's just on new platforms that bypass the normal filtering and spin processes. The lies are much more direct than they've ever been.

At this point, I think it is just conversation. I am glad it is being discussed to this degree.

I've got a lot of sympathy for this POV. I don't think there's ever been a point in my lifetime (or well before) when people didn't think the .gov was, at best, terribly inefficient with our money and at worst fraught with corruption. Lots and lots of talk on the matter which basically ended up being endless SSDD. Has there ever been a real, as in no **** serious frontal assault on the .gov on the matter before now? I'm not asking anyone, including myself, to believe to what extent this will/won't work at this point. I don't know and you (whoever you are) doesn't either. What I absolutely do know is this .gov spending thing isn't just a soundbite and a hand wave topic anymore and I like that being the case.

 

[Orangeburst]

imagine having to navigate this mess, and the fact that the gov had the contract at $8B back in 2022, and making an error certainly doesnt lessen the premise of Doge.

A search of the Federal Procurement Data System for the contract ID number included on the DOGE website – 70CMSD22A00000008 – returns several documents. The original contract filing from September 2022 does, in fact, list $8 billion as the total contract value. Yet an update on Jan. 28 adjusted the total contract value to $8 million — the same day the DOGE site uploaded the contract as an $8 billion saving.