Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[LSU-SIU]

Musk and Trump could sh*t on a plate, call it a ribeye and you'd ask for seconds.

Go back to before 1/20. I pretty much called whats going to happen. No changes to overall budgets, almost the exact debt ceiling proposal, and focusing almost 100% of efforts on D waste...

No, how about you don't act like a mental patient for a few years and than come back and see how it goes i.e. process.

No changes to overall budgets, almost the exact debt ceiling proposal, and focusing almost 100% of efforts on D waste...

Well, maybe you will be right, but you're not right yet. The big budget items will take years i.e. DOD, medicare/medical industry, etc.

Its not going to be easy because people don't want it to happen. Either way they can hopefully get rid of all the bad apples.

So.... let them work.

 

[NashVol11]

Obviously you don't.

And it wasn't a strawman. The left doesn't care one iota about that kid or that mom. They've worked overtime for years to undermine the traditional values of the nuclear family and the father's role in it. They've set up a welfare state that encourages and rewards babies out of wedlock. It further financially discourages the father living in the home.

But when it's politically convenient, they clutch their pearls. lol

No one mentioned "the nuclear family" but you, it's a person doing bad things and the fact that you keep needing to minimize, strawman or deflect to "the left" should tell you how much you're kissing Elon's ass

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

No, how about you don't act like a mental patient for a few years and than come back and see how it goes i.e. process.



Well, maybe you will be right, but you're not right yet. The big budget items will take years i.e. DOD, medicare/medical industry, etc.

Its not going to be easy because people don't want it to happen.

I dont have to wait a few years. If they pass a
4.5T debt ceiling increase and no overall spending cuts, that's validation this is just throwing meat to the base and rearranging chairs on the Titanic...

 

[LSU-SIU]

I dont have to wait a few years. If they pass a
4.5T debt ceiling increase and no overall spending cuts, that's validation this is just throwing meat to the base and rearranging chairs on the Titanic...

Yes you do, the big budget items will take years. These are the small line items they can do immediately.

 

[Orange_Crush]

No one mentioned "the nuclear family" but you, it's a person doing bad things and the fact that you keep needing to minimize, strawman or deflect to "the left" should tell you how much you're kissing Elon's ass

Elon is a **** person by my moral standards. This is not the first time I've posted something similar to this. Is that blatant enough for you?

Now, with that out of the way, the left still doesn't give a **** about this girl or their baby. It's useful political theater for them. Little more.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

No, you can have all kinds of waste, at scale worse quality service or product. You are not identifying what needs to be cut, as you just have it in a pile.

Someone has to properly find the unnecessary service, fraud, waste and abuse. Some of that can be quite easy, other times not so much. Stuff like CIA, NSA, Ed, IRS, etc. we can probably just do away with most of the services.

Cutting budgets from a prior baseline is the most common way to find efficiencies and eliminate waste in large companies...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Yes you do, the big budget items will take years. These are the small line items they can do immediately.

Cut the budget from a baseline like every large company does when they decide to trim the fat.....

 

[LSU-SIU]

Cutting budgets from a prior baseline is the most common way to find efficiencies and eliminate waste in large companies...

Actually, it doesn't take that on some of the unneeded services which is why whole agencies are going away. The smaller agencies they are looking at efficiency and getting rid of bad apples.

Someone has to identify the fraud, waste, abuse, bad apples, criminal activity, and unnecessary services.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Someone has to identify the fraud, waste, abuse, bad apples, criminal activity, and unnecessary services.

The problem is DOGE isnt doing this. They are picking and choosing looking for red meat for the base....

 

[LSU-SIU]

The problem is DOGE isnt doing this. They are picking and choosing looking for red meat for the base....

They are simply getting the low hanging fruit to make as best as they can.... in a short period of time, identify areas for immediate cuts. The bigger items will take years and will require help from Congress. The bad apples can be dispose of and criminal activity can be immediately investigated if found.

 

[Orange_Crush]

They are simply getting the low hanging fruit to make as best as they can.... in a short period of time, identify areas for immediate cuts. The bigger items will take years and will require help from Congress.

...while mainly just posting red meat for the base.

 

[LSU-SIU]

...while mainly just posting red meat for the base.

The more screaming, the more over the target they probably are.

Heck, I'm just happy if they get rid of the evil bad apples.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

No, how about you don't act like a mental patient for a few years and than come back and see how it goes i.e. process.



Well, maybe you will be right, but you're not right yet. The big budget items will take years i.e. DOD, medicare/medical industry, etc.

Its not going to be easy because people don't want it to happen. Either way they can hopefully get rid of all the bad apples.

So.... let them work.

Defense spending increased 37% from 2016 to 2021 (and that doesnt even include baseline adj from Iraq and Afghan withdrawals). Trump's proxy is asking for another 150B (17%) increase to defense.

Trump/DOGE can say all the right things but their actions are saying something else...

Giving another 17% after giving 37% aint gonna eliminate any waste other than the DEI crap that should be eliminated...

 

[LSU-SIU]

Defense spending increased 37% from 2016 to 2021 (and that doesnt even include baseline adj from Iraq and Afghan withdrawals). Trump's proxy is asking for another 150B (17%) increase to defense.

Trump/DOGE can say all the right things but their actions are saying something else...

Giving another 17% after giving 37% aint gonna eliminate any waste other than the DEI crap that should be eliminated...

Well, maybe they be successful, maybe not. If they can get all the evil and bad apples out, success for me. In the case of the military, if they start doing massive draw downs... you could see an increase in short term costs.
Shutting down half the military is not going to be quick and will cost quite a bit upfront I would imagine.

If it doesn't work and you are unhappy, you could go back to Mr. Potatohead since that was working great in 4 years, I guess.

The medical industry is where the U.S. could save the most, and that is probably a 10 year project i.e. criminal prosecutions.

You have to understand, I think the U.S. will most likely collapse in my lifetime.

 

[Orangeburst]

Defense spending increased 37% from 2016 to 2021 (and that doesnt even include baseline adj from Iraq and Afghan withdrawals). Trump's proxy is asking for another 150B (17%) increase to defense.

Trump/DOGE can say all the right things but their actions are saying something else...

Giving another 17% after giving 37% aint gonna eliminate any waste other than the DEI crap that should be eliminated...

I usually get in trouble questioning you when it comes to numbers, but you sure about 2016 and 2021 spending?

 

[LSU-SIU]

I usually get in trouble questioning you when it comes to numbers, but you sure about 2016 and 2021 spending?

U.S. Military Spending/Defense Budget 1960-2025

(only through 2022 of course factoring in consumer inflation as well)

Assuming correct.

The biggest line item is medical meaning RICO and anti-trust as that is what the whole industry is... after that DOD. Medical is going to take time as civil and criminal prosecutions need to happen for that.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I usually get in trouble questioning you when it comes to numbers, but you sure about 2016 and 2021 spending?

15/16 spending through 21/22 budget....

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Well, maybe they be successful, maybe not. If they can get all the evil and bad apples out, success for me. In the case of the military, if they start doing massive draw downs... you could see an increase in short term costs.
Shutting down half the military is not going to be quick and will cost quite a bit upfront I would imagine.

If it doesn't work and you are unhappy, you could go back to Mr. Potatohead since that was working great in 4 years, I guess.

The medical industry is where the U.S. could save the most, and that is probably a 10 year project i.e. criminal prosecutions.

You have to understand, I think the U.S. will most likely collapse in my lifetime.

We need a structual and significant reduction in our spending. Our path isnt sustainable. That has always been my goal. The Rs have their chance now to start on this goal.

Eliminating piecemeal partisan crap is nice but it doesnt solve the spending issue...

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Kash Patel Overrules Elon Musk as new FBI boss Throws Down Gauntlet To DOGE​

New FBI chief Kash Patel defied Elon Musk's mass email to federal workers as he ordered agents to ignore DOGE's latest efficiency crackdown.

Patel instructed agents at the bureau to disregard an email Musk sent to workers earlier on Saturday, titled: 'What did you do last week?'

Musk's email ordered workers to reply to the message with five bullets detailing all of their accomplishments at work in the past week and to cc in their manager.

Not long after, Patel overruled Musk's memo with his own message, making it clear that the FBI 'is in charge of all of our review processes, and will conduct reviews in accordance with FBI procedures.'

'When and if further information is required, we will coordinate the responses. For now, please pause any responses,' he wrote.

Patel's interference is one of his first moves as the new head of the FBI, offering a glimpse at potential rifts within the MAGA world as Musk continues tearing apart the federal government.

When he sent the original email earlier Saturday, Musk also took to his X platform to threaten any employees that do not reply to him with termination.

It remains to be seen if Musk will attempt to make good on his threat to fire any FBI agents that follow Patel's guidelines, pitting the two Trump insiders against each other. The FBI did not immediately respond to request for comment.



New FBI chief Kash Patel, pictured with Elon Musk's baby mama Ashley St. Clair at Trump's inauguration, defied the billionaire on Saturday as he ordered agents to ignore DOGE's latest efficiency crackdown


Musk sent a mass email to federal workers on Saturday ordering them to detail what they accomplished at work in the last week, and threatened those that ignore him with termination


Musk's email was titled 'What did you do last week?'

Kash Patel overrules Elon Musk as new FBI boss throws down gauntlet

New FBI chief Kash Patel defied Elon Musk's mass email to federal workers as he ordered agents to ignore DOGE's latest efficiency crackdown on Saturday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LSU-SIU]

We need a structual and significant reduction in our spending. Our path isnt sustainable. That has always been my goal. The Rs have their chance now to start on this goal.

Eliminating piecemeal partisan crap is nice but it doesnt solve the spending issue...

Anyone expecting $1T+ a year this year is going to be disappointed. Things will take time, and even over time if you stay near the same level that would be great meaning adjusted for inflation.

I say the likelihood of Elon blowing up the fictional dollar scam as somewhat likely, but that is probably a different discussion.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Anyone expecting $1T+ a year this year is going to be disappointed. Things will take time, and even over time if you stay near the same level that would be great meaning adjusted for inflation.

I say the likelihood of Elon blowing up the fictional dollar scam as somewhat likely, but that is probably a different discussion.

You go back to an Obama era spending baseline adjusted for inflation and you'd be approaching a balanced budget with a favorable dynamic scoring number....

And we know Obama spent like crazy.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Not a good luck for the deranged lunatics on the left & who's on wrong side of history.

 

[Orangeburst]

U.S. Military Spending/Defense Budget 1960-2025

(only through 2022 of course factoring in consumer inflation as well)

Assuming correct.

The biggest line item is medical meaning RICO and anti-trust as that is what the whole industry is... after that DOD. Medical is going to take time as civil and criminal prosecutions need to happen for that.

I see

584B in 2016
742B in 2021

with inflation 584 would be 643 in 2021.

Discretionary Spending in 2016: An Infographic | Congressional Budget Office

Discretionary spending by the federal government totaled $1.2 trillion in 2016—about half for national defense and half for nondefense activities.

www.cbo.gov

Discretionary Spending in Fiscal Year 2021: An Infographic | Congressional Budget Office

Discretionary outlays by the federal government totaled $1.6 trillion in 2021, of which $742 billion was for national defense and $895 billion was for nondefense activities.

www.cbo.gov

 

[LSU-SIU]

You go back to an Obama era spending baseline adjusted for inflation and you'd be approaching a balanced budget with a favorable dynamic scoring number....

And we know Obama spent like crazy.

Get rid of most of the IRS, ED, CIA, NSA, etc will cost up front but near instant savings, these are smaller line items but they count. DOD and medical is where true money can in theory be saved, these are decade+ projects though.

In today's dollars in a decade or so you could get to $1-2T, but not this year, not next year.... 10 years maybe if there are enough prosecutions. Medical is the huge issue.

 

[Willy P]

Cut the budget from a baseline like every large company does when they decide to trim the fat.....

R's have all three branches. They can make meaningful change on the budget if they want to. DOGE is just to go after highly politicized topics. I like your comments on this - I don't have much confidence they will ever balance a budget.