Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

#601
#601
utvolpj said:
Well that's a really dumb take. Why would everyone need to be in an office?
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My thought on this is our insane litigation society...

Remote work is fine in most cases. I think people prefer to do that. But when it becomes common and expected by business just wait for the first time someone takes a company (or the government) to court saying they have a responsibility to pay for:

"Rent" in their homes
Electric for the work they are doing
HVAC for proper working condition
Internet for job related duties

And they'll likely win because their home became an "office." You'll see companies putting a stop to it.

I have no problem with remote work even in government channels (if they have the ability to do so). But I do have issues with paying significant amounts of money keeping to federal property to sit empty.
 
#603
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Grand Vol said:
My thought on this is our insane litigation society...

Remote work is fine in most cases. I think people prefer to do that. But when it becomes common and expected by business just wait for the first time someone takes a company (or the government) to court saying they have a responsibility to pay for:

"Rent" in their homes
Electric for the work they are doing
HVAC for proper working condition
Internet for job related duties

And they'll likely win because their home became an "office." You'll see companies putting a stop to it.

I have no problem with remote work even in government channels (if they have the ability to do so). But I do have issues with paying significant amounts of money keeping to federal property to sit empty.
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Those are negotiated compensation items not requirements but are definitely things offered by employers. There is already tax code for a home office

Send workers home and sell the property. That's efficiency
 
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hog88 said:
They don’t work efficiently at the office so no fing way they’re more efficient at home.
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Agreed. Osmosis can and does occur in the office, especially with less experienced employees. The employer says back to the office then off you go and if you elect to not do so then get the resume circulated.
 
#611
#611
utvolpj said:
Then you replace them. It's why they have a manager. They likely struggle anywhere
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That's an option but not always the best one, it's expensive to replace and retrain employees. You can have a good employee that just can't handle the distractions at home and work efficiently but at the office does just fine.
 
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Grand Vol said:
My thought on this is our insane litigation society...

Remote work is fine in most cases. I think people prefer to do that. But when it becomes common and expected by business just wait for the first time someone takes a company (or the government) to court saying they have a responsibility to pay for:

"Rent" in their homes
Electric for the work they are doing
HVAC for proper working condition
Internet for job related duties

And they'll likely win because their home became an "office." You'll see companies putting a stop to it.

I have no problem with remote work even in government channels (if they have the ability to do so). But I do have issues with paying significant amounts of money keeping to federal property to sit empty.
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I would think that could be covered in job offers before acceptance:

"By accepting this position with its associated salary and benefits package, you do so knowing that from it you must pay for..."

"Further, you sign on knowing that you are working from your home, and not our property, thus any accident in your home that is not the express fault of the company will not be handled as workman's comp..."

"etc..."


And your last point is why most/many(?) corps are moving away from telework, and back to in-office. With everyone going remote, corps own empty buildings. With everyone else going remote, they have trouble selling or leasing out their buildings. So, CFOs have HUGE budgetary line items with no return, so they need to attach a value to it as excuse for having it. Empty is not a value, so they bring people back in the office even though it is often otherwise cheaper and more productive to have people work from home.
 
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#615
utvolpj said:
Those are negotiated compensation items not requirements but are definitely things offered by employers. There is already tax code for a home office

Send workers home and sell the property. That's efficiency
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All/most the corps filled buildings. If lots and lots of those buildings are sitting empty, it upsets the market by plummeting demand. How are they going to sell it? At a huge loss in the new market? Nope.

So, most of them are deciding to fill the buildings again.
 
#617
#617
theFallGuy said:
Government workers don't get fired, they get promoted. C'mon man
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JHQ VA in JC top brass in the firing line ….
Send them packin…I’m a victim of their agenda.
Gov employees have figured out the “lies” of their bosses. Thank you Big T!!!
 
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#620
Orange_Crush said:
All/most the corps filled buildings. If lots and lots of those buildings are sitting empty, it upsets the market by plummeting demand. How are they going to sell it? At a huge loss in the new market? Nope.

So, most of them are deciding to fill the buildings again.
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Trying to figure out why the workers would be on the hook for bad investments. You don't blame the truck drivers when the price of gas goes up
 
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utvolpj said:
Trying to figure out why the workers would be on the hook for bad investments. You don't blame the truck drivers when the price of gas goes up
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It's not about blame. It just about the workers having to work where the job role is defined to work by their company. And I'm not sure you'd call it *bad* investments, as much as a changed paradigm. The property made a lot of sense pre-covid.

Big corps were seldom WFH before Covid. Then they sent everyone home and had to scramble for how to do it, per technology. So, they all invested heavily into VPN technology/infrastructure. Security tools... Etc...

So, it became completely feasible to have a distributed workforce. But as mentioned, they still had these big properties that they'd bought under the old paradigm. Leadership has to go to board meetings and explain why they have these huge budget line items that they aren't using. So, instead of doing that, they are just going back to using them. It's not a matter of "blame". I'm not even saying it's the best way to handle it. It just is what it is.
 
#623
#623
jwells said:
No, it's about food for kids.
No one is controlled by an optional lunch. And many of the people whining about taxes pay little to none. I'm happy for my money to go to this...much more so than it going to a bloated military.
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I understand what your saying and I believe your coming from a good place (feeding kids). But given options of allowing the parent to have lore money to feed their kids you balked...because shotty parents...now realistically no kid is starving in the US...what they call food insecurity (which is access to nutritional foods) rose from 5% when Biden took office to 18% now...and instead of allowing parent to parent and feed their kids, you want schools (or the government) to do it....that's control and reason most here are against it..
 
#624
#624
Orange_Crush said:
It's not about blame. It just about the workers having to work where the job role is defined to work by their company. And I'm not sure you'd call it *bad* investments, as much as a changed paradigm. The property made a lot of sense pre-covid.

Big corps were seldom WFH before Covid. Then they sent everyone home and had to scramble for how to do it, per technology. So, they all invested heavily into VPN technology/infrastructure. Security tools... Etc...

So, it became completely feasible to have a distributed workforce. But as mentioned, they still had these big properties that they'd bought under the old paradigm. Leadership has to go to board meetings and explain why they have these huge budget line items that they aren't using. So, instead of doing that, they are just going back to using them. It's not a matter of "blame". I'm not even saying it's the best way to handle it. It just is what it is.
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Companies have already made many of those decisions. Look at the rise in 3PL providers as an example. The difference seems to be these companies full of middle mgmt layers don't want to give up control over people's lives. The office was valuable in my early career but it's unnecessary now. Thousands in my Corp in the same place

The temp office space is always popular or an industry to convert them to affordable housing could pop up.
 
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