Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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whodeycin85 said:
I understand what your saying and I believe your coming from a good place (feeding kids). But given options of allowing the parent to have lore money to feed their kids you balked...because shotty parents...now realistically no kid is starving in the US...what they call food insecurity (which is access to nutritional foods) rose from 5% when Biden took office to 18% now...and instead of allowing parent to parent and feed their kids, you want schools (or the government) to do it....that's control and reason most here are against it..
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I balked at the stupidity of offering parents 25% of what their kid now receives in federal lunches.
 
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CobbVol said:
Agreed. Osmosis can and does occur in the office, especially with less experienced employees. The employer says back to the office then off you go and if you elect to not do so then get the resume circulated.
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You hit in another point as well. Mentoring. How does that get done remotely? We have gone to great lengths to divide us all up. Nobody talks to anyone any more except thru texts and Tiktok.
 
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utvolpj said:
Isn't this the doge thread? Why am I the only one offering solutions?
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I'm all about it myself. But when you deal with government unions (which I don't believe should exist) you deal with the consequences of trying to fire people that should be fired.

Case in point, when I got to OK in 2011 there was a GS they were trying to get rid of. When I retired almost 2.5 years later they were still going through the process.

Crazy thing? She hadn't worked a day since I'd been there but was still collecting full salary.

That's the system that's broken.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You hit in another point as well. Mentoring. How does that get done remotely? We have gone to great lengths to divide us all up. Nobody talks to anyone any more except thru texts and Tiktok.
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My team communicates primarily via Instant message, email and video conference. For my industry, it's little different than it was when I was in the office. 90% of my communication was with those tools.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm all about it myself. But when you deal with government unions (which I don't believe should exist) you deal with the consequences of trying to fire people that should be fired.

Case in point, when I got to OK in 2011 there was a GS they were trying to get rid of. When I retired almost 2.5 years later they were still going through the process.

Crazy thing? She hadn't worked a day since I'd been there but was still collecting full salary.

That's the system that's broken.
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It's kind to call that "broken"...that full on through the looking glass.
 
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Is a new department called Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE (doggy?) efficient? lol

No.

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jwells said:
Lol.
Y'all arguing for the corporate land lords. Many jobs can be done at a computer at home just as well. Martin Luther proved this with religion and folks are proving it now working. In person often only helps the people who own the buildings fill their coffers.
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I work from home and I'm one of the few my employer allows to do it full-time. I've been doing it for 12 years. He firmly believes that employees tend to slack at home.

Personally, I can only say for myself that I'm just as productive at home, if not more productive. It's much harder for someone to come get my ear and distract me. I can ignore chats and phone calls if I'm locked into something and in a flow. My CEO is constantly denying people's requests and citing articles saying it's not effective. I don't believe it, though....

Think about how much waste is involved with working 40 hrs/week at an office. Gotta have the overhead to account for every employee. That's a cost that goes directly to the employer. Gotta have parking. Gotta have roads that can accommodate all the traffic. Car accidents causing damage and even killing people because of these daily commutes. Gotta have people wasting time, sitting in traffic. Gotta buy gas and put miles on your vehicle. Etc.

One thing that my employer is totally missing is that there is no way I would be accepting the pay that I get if I had to work 40 hrs a week from the office. I gladly take a discount to work four 10's from home, have a 3-day weekend, and avoid all that ********.

Think about how much of our economy is wasted on commercial real estate (chat GPT says we have $3.2T worth of office space in the US). It doesn't have to be this way.
 
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hog88 said:
You can have a good employee that just can't handle the distractions at home and work efficiently but at the office does just fine.
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We offer a remote hybrid - 3 days in office + 2 days remote.

It was a compromise of sorts coming out of the fully remote model during Covid.

We have some talented folks that perform great in the office, but we know we’re getting a fraction of the output when they’re at home.

Full return to work across all of Corporate America is 1 economic downturn away imo.
 
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85SugarVol said:
One more thing -

The people and business groups banging the drum for “how much more productive” people are at home “without distractions….

Are the people that want to work from home lol.
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yep ~ it's the dude that leaves open the porn tab during his corporate conference zoom meeting.
 
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NashVol11 said:
A new department based on “efficiency” starting out with 2 people to do the job of 1 department head is so funny
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It would take an army of individuals to scale back the FWA in the cogs of our bureaucratic system...but Trump will do it with two.
How? Because the system will virtue signal themselves endlessly in the media trying to protect their fatted calf :eek:
Thereby drawing more interest and demands of reform from those of us paying for the Fraud, Waste, and Abuse.
Perfect plan!
 
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85SugarVol said:
One more thing -

The people and business groups banging the drum for “how much more productive” people are at home “without distractions….

Are the people that want to work from home lol.
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Similarly, the people acting like WFH is a disaster are very often people who want to fill up their office buildings and look over employees’ shoulders more than people who have an actual concern about productivity.

Not having to get ready (as much) and then commute twice objectively gives me more time to get things done on days I’m not in the office. Looking forward to that tomorrow
 
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85SugarVol said:
We offer a remote hybrid - 3 days in office + 2 days remote.

It was a compromise of sorts coming out of the fully remote model during Covid.

We have some talented folks that perform great in the office, but we know we’re getting a fraction of the output when they’re at home.

Full return to work across all of Corporate America is 1 economic downturn away imo.
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I've got some office people that have a similar schedule but they have earned it.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Agree with this 100%. There will be better efficiency and management if it's done at a state level rather than fed.
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Off topic I know, but when I see your avi it reminds me of feeling full of dread in a hospital which led to the greatest day I can remember. I was watching that game on their tv while waiting for the docs with a loved one. Doc came out a few minutes after that tuddy. Great stuff.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Similarly, the people acting like WFH is a disaster are very often people who want to fill up their office buildings and look over employees’ shoulders more than people who have an actual concern about productivity.

Not having to get ready (as much) and then commute twice objectively gives me more time to get things done on days I’m not in the office. Looking forward to that tomorrow
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WFH is not a “disaster” as much as it’s simply a reduction in total output.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. And when everyone is dispersed and disconnected, you’ve reduced the team to the sum of its parts.

Getting ready and commute times are not part of the work day. Remote work saves you that in personal time.

But I get it. I utilize remote work as well - when I need to. I don’t work remote as a rule.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Getting ready and commute times are not part of the work day. Remote work saves you that in personal time.
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They can be, if you have the type of job where you can log in anytime/anywhere. I was in the office today but will be using that theoretical commute time tomorrow to work at home, just because it's a busy time for me
 
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n_huffhines said:
I work from home and I'm one of the few my employer allows to do it full-time. I've been doing it for 12 years. He firmly believes that employees tend to slack at home.

Personally, I can only say for myself that I'm just as productive at home, if not more productive. It's much harder for someone to come get my ear and distract me. I can ignore chats and phone calls if I'm locked into something and in a flow. My CEO is constantly denying people's requests and citing articles saying it's not effective. I don't believe it, though....

Think about how much waste is involved with working 40 hrs/week at an office. Gotta have the overhead to account for every employee. That's a cost that goes directly to the employer. Gotta have parking. Gotta have roads that can accommodate all the traffic. Car accidents causing damage and even killing people because of these daily commutes. Gotta have people wasting time, sitting in traffic. Gotta buy gas and put miles on your vehicle. Etc.

One thing that my employer is totally missing is that there is no way I would be accepting the pay that I get if I had to work 40 hrs a week from the office. I gladly take a discount to work four 10's from home, have a 3-day weekend, and avoid all that ********.

Think about how much of our economy is wasted on commercial real estate (chat GPT says we have $3.2T worth of office space in the US). It doesn't have to be this way.
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More, with the removal of commutes, the burden on parents to try to work around getting the kids to/from school, to the doctor, picked up in time for sports, etc is greatly lessened.

They can do all that and get back home to log in at 9. They can grab the kid at lunch break if they're sick. They can take the laptop with them to the doctors office while waiting for the kid to be seen.

Are there employees slacking? Sure. But they'd be doing it at the office, too. Long breaks, taking a crap at work every day, swinging by cubicles....not to mention hard workers having to miss days and hours dealing with their kids because the office is 45 minutes away due to traffic.

Not every job can be remote, but a ton can. Sorry corporate landlords and middle managers whose contributions were walking around and getting the new guy to help make a PDF and put it on an email.
 
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NashVol11 said:
They can be, if you have the type of job where you can log in anytime/anywhere. I was in the office today but will be using that theoretical commute time tomorrow to work at home, just because it's a busy time for me
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Commute time is not paid time, irrespective of when you execute the commute.

But if you are working additional hours tomorrow in lieu of that commute time, because you recognize the workload demands it - great, you’re exactly the type of employee most would be willing to extend that flexibility to.
 
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jwells said:
More, with the removal of commutes, the burden on parents to try to work around getting the kids to/from school, to the doctor, picked up in time for sports, etc is greatly lessened.

They can do all that and get back home to log in at 9. They can grab the kid at lunch break if they're sick. They can take the laptop with them to the doctors office while waiting for the kid to be seen.

Are there employees slacking? Sure. But they'd be doing it at the office, too. Long breaks, taking a crap at work every day, swinging by cubicles....not to mention hard workers having to miss days and hours dealing with their kids because the office is 45 minutes away due to traffic.

Not every job can be remote, but a ton can. Sorry corporate landlords and middle managers whose contributions were walking around and getting the new guy to help make a PDF and put it on an email.
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That’s a very Pollyanna representation of how most utilize remote flexibility. Pretty much best case scenario. Nowhere near the norm.

There will be another downturn, and when it hits it will be Return or Reduction.
 
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85SugarVol said:
That’s a very Pollyanna representation of how most utilize remote flexibility. Pretty much best case scenario. Nowhere near the norm.

There will be another downturn, and when it hits it will be Return or Reduction.
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In a lot of organizations it will be the employee out of sight will be the employee out the door.
 
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