Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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Me, my SIL, and my daughter (hybrid) WFH.

I've worked from home since 2008.
 
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85SugarVol said:
That’s a very Pollyanna representation of how most utilize remote flexibility. Pretty much best case scenario. Nowhere near the norm.

There will be another downturn, and when it hits it will be Return or Reduction.
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I think people saying it doesn't work have no evidence it doesn't...the idea that all workers are better in office is just wrong. No one can argue that no workers should be in office, either. It's industry dependent. There are many people in RTO jobs who now just have all their meetings online at their desk at work instead of at home.

I'm not sure we saw and productivity drops in WFH. Looks like the current cycle has worker productivity increases as the third highest since they've been tracking it.
 
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85SugarVol said:
That’s a very Pollyanna representation of how most utilize remote flexibility. Pretty much best case scenario. Nowhere near the norm.

There will be another downturn, and when it hits it will be Return or Reduction.
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IMO, smart business would be divesting of property and not signing new long leases for many companies whose jobs are...sitting around at an office on computers. Keep a small footprint for when needed, but figure out where you can save the office space and still get the labor done.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, they are calculated to provide food at school. That’s why food stamps doesn’t increase over the summer.

No one said high on the hog. But you can feed your child. If not, you should be investigated. For example, numerous people sell their food stamps.
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Well, that's where you're wrong. Schools literally handed out EBT cards while closed during Covid. They have extra money go out in the Summer. I get it, man. You think poor people should carry more burden beyond our insanely high sales tax rates.

SUN Bucks (Summer EBT) | Food and Nutrition Service

www.fns.usda.gov www.fns.usda.gov
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm all about it myself. But when you deal with government unions (which I don't believe should exist) you deal with the consequences of trying to fire people that should be fired.

Case in point, when I got to OK in 2011 there was a GS they were trying to get rid of. When I retired almost 2.5 years later they were still going through the process.

Crazy thing? She hadn't worked a day since I'd been there but was still collecting full salary.

That's the system that's broken.
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McDad said:
Me, my SIL, and my daughter (hybrid) WFH.

I've worked from home since 2008.
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Any of you work for the government?

Not being a wise-guy, but working a position where if you don’t kill, you don’t eat is different from working government job from home - where you get paid regardless of productivity (see @hog88’s post, above.)
 
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jwells said:
I think people saying it doesn't work have no evidence it doesn't...the idea that all workers are better in office is just wrong. No one can argue that no workers should be in office, either. It's industry dependent. There are many people in RTO jobs who now just have all their meetings online at their desk at work instead of at home.

I'm not sure we saw and productivity drops in WFH. Looks like the current cycle has worker productivity increases as the third highest since they've been tracking it.
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Who said all workers are better in the office?

You can do IT project work from anywhere. A lot of IT work from anywhere.
You can do Sales from anywhere.

Teams can function dispersed and physically disconnected from one another, but you lose something not being able to bring them together.

Collaboration is a real thing, and it cannot be 100% duplicated over Zoom.
 
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jwells said:
IMO, smart business would be divesting of property and not signing new long leases for many companies whose jobs are...sitting around at an office on computers. Keep a small footprint for when needed, but figure out where you can save the office space and still get the labor done.
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If most workers were truly more efficient at home, producing more and producing better - employers would shutter their offices and send everyone home.

They’re not.
 
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85SugarVol said:
If most workers were truly more efficient at home, producing more and producing better - employers would shutter their offices and send everyone home.

They’re not.
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Because they're locked into massive leases and are rife with middle management whose main function is to wander around the floor. Add in a basic technological ineptitude by executive staff...and here you are. There are so many jobs that don't require presence in an office. And when your people can work from anywhere, you can hire good staff anywhere. And if they don't perform? Find someone who does.

We're ignoring the wage theft going on in the office already.
 
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85SugarVol said:
We offer a remote hybrid - 3 days in office + 2 days remote.

It was a compromise of sorts coming out of the fully remote model during Covid.

We have some talented folks that perform great in the office, but we know we’re getting a fraction of the output when they’re at home.

Full return to work across all of Corporate America is 1 economic downturn away imo.
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We just dodged that bullet when we gave the Ho the Heave Ho.
 
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jwells said:
Well, that's where you're wrong. Schools literally handed out EBT cards while closed during Covid. They have extra money go out in the Summer. I get it, man. You think poor people should carry more burden beyond our insanely high sales tax rates.

SUN Bucks (Summer EBT) | Food and Nutrition Service

www.fns.usda.gov www.fns.usda.gov
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Interesting. Looks that just started this year. Yet somehow children survived all those previous summers.

I’d even compromise on added $120 monthly for all months. Not only summer.

And the last part is a joke. The “poor” in this country pay no income tax. Surely even you know that.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Interesting. Looks that just started this year. Yet somehow children survived all those previous summers.

I’d even compromise on added $120 monthly for all months. Not only summer.

And the last part is a joke. The “poor” in this country pay no income tax. Surely even you know that.
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Yes, that's why I said sales tax. 9%+ is a burden on the poor. It's a regressive tax. These poor also pay no income tax in Georgia, but pay about half the sales tax. Tennessee isn't a low tax state for the lower classes.

Your utter overestimation on how easy it is to be poor is insane, man.
 
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jwells said:
Yes, that's why I said sales tax. 9%+ is a burden on the poor. It's a regressive tax. These poor also pay no income tax in Georgia, but pay about half the sales tax. Tennessee isn't a low tax state for the lower classes.

You're utter overestimation on how easy it is to be poor is insane, man.
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Fair, I misread. Can you provide the data on half the sales tax? I’d be curious about that given the lower buying power
 
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jwells said:
Yes, that's why I said sales tax. 9%+ is a burden on the poor. It's a regressive tax. These poor also pay no income tax in Georgia, but pay about half the sales tax. Tennessee isn't a low tax state for the lower classes.

Your utter overestimation on how easy it is to be poor is insane, man.
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A 9% sales tax is a burden on everyone but you have to pick your poison.
 
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C-south said:
A 9% sales tax is a burden on everyone but you have to pick your poison.
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An income tax would have benefited almost everyone...except the wealthy. But they convinced the vast majority of Tennesseans, most of whom would pay little to no tax, that a sales tax 2nd in the nation would be better.
 
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jwells said:
Because they're locked into massive leases and are rife with middle management whose main function is to wander around the floor. Add in a basic technological ineptitude by executive staff...and here you are. There are so many jobs that don't require presence in an office. And when your people can work from anywhere, you can hire good staff anywhere. And if they don't perform? Find someone who does.

We're ignoring the wage theft going on in the office already.
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No, leases aren’t the reason Corporate America is bringing workers back to the office - that’s just something tangible for you to latch onto.

Corporate America is bringing workers back to the office because teams function more efficiently, and deliver better products, when they are immersed with one another in a collaborative environment.

You recognize wage theft occurs in the office, but somehow think it’s less prevalent at home?
 
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jwells said:
An income tax would have benefited almost everyone...except the wealthy. But they convinced the vast majority of Tennesseans, most of whom would pay little to no tax, that a sales tax 2nd in the nation would be better.
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It would’ve benefited nobody that works.
 
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It’s different for everyone. Personally, I can’t work from home and much prefer the office. I like being able to walk down the hall and talk to people I need to. I get more done in F2F meetings.

In general, it is about the worker. Productive ones in the office are usually productive at home, and vice versa. That has been my experience with the team I manage.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Any of you work for the government?

Not being a wise-guy, but working a position where if you don’t kill, you don’t eat is different from working government job from home - where you get paid regardless of productivity (see @hog88’s post, above.)
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I'm in the private sector.
 
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