Derek Chauvin trial

[Tastylicks]

The county medical examiner testified today. He said this

"In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take by virtue of those heart conditions"

Derek Chauvin trial: Medical examiner testifies that police restraint was ‘more than Mr. Floyd could take’ – Twin Cities

 

[Lerxtwood]

This is the actual next paragraph after that. So it was used regularly by their force. It is also listed in their internal training documents. Sounds like city officials are lying to cover their own ass

Neck restraints yes. Where does it say knee to the neck is allowed? I don’t see it.

 

[Carl Pickens]

The county medical examiner testified today. He said this

"In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take by virtue of those heart conditions"

Derek Chauvin trial: Medical examiner testifies that police restraint was ‘more than Mr. Floyd could take’ – Twin Cities

It was more than anyone could take with a lethal dose of fentanyl

 

[OHvol40]

It was more than anyone could take with a lethal dose of fentanyl

This line is so dumb. If he had a “lethal dose of fentanyl” then he would have had bradypnea, agonal breathing or both. He would have very likely had respiratory acidosis from not being able to breath off the CO2 in his blood (which I’m fairly certain can be seen in autopsy lab results). He would have had a severely altered level consciousness and likely wouldn’t have been coherent enough to produce words... all would have been happening before this encounter.

Clearly none of that was happening. The guy was killed because his air supply was restricted for an extended period and without that restriction he would be alive.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

This line is so dumb. If he had a “lethal dose of fentanyl” then he would have had bradypnea, agonal breathing or both. He would have very likely had respiratory acidosis from not being able to breath off the CO2 in his blood (which I’m fairly certain can be seen in autopsy lab results). He would have had a severely altered level consciousness and likely wouldn’t have been coherent enough to produce words... all would have been happening before this encounter.

Clearly none of that was happening. The guy was killed because his air supply was restricted for an extended period and without that restriction he would be alive.

Your last sentence is conjecture. And please stop trying to use medical terms. We all know you aren’t in any kind of healthcare field.

 

[Carl Pickens]

This line is so dumb. If he had a “lethal dose of fentanyl” then he would have had bradypnea, agonal breathing or both. He would have very likely had respiratory acidosis from not being able to breath off the CO2 in his blood (which I’m fairly certain can be seen in autopsy lab results). He would have had a severely altered level consciousness and likely wouldn’t have been coherent enough to produce words... all would have been happening before this encounter.

Clearly none of that was happening. The guy was killed because his air supply was restricted for an extended period and without that restriction he would be alive.

Too bad your hero died .... while unfortunate and tragic.... there’s still enough “reasonable doubt”....

Handwritten notes taken when the Medical Examiner briefed prosecutors on his findings suggest it was very high – but not necessarily fatal.
“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an O.D. [Over Dose],” the notes say.
“Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” the notes indicate. “But I am not saying this killed him.”

 

[AM64]

Too bad your hero died .... while unfortunate and tragic.... there’s still enough “reasonable doubt”....

Handwritten notes taken when the Medical Examiner briefed prosecutors on his findings suggest it was very high – but not necessarily fatal.
“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an O.D. [Over Dose],” the notes say.
“Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” the notes indicate. “But I am not saying this killed him.”

Exactly. That the drugs in Floyd's system may have killed Floyd would seem to indicate that you couldn't say beyond a doubt that Chauvin's actions did kill him. If Floyd's agitation and physical resistance in conjunction with the drugs onboard played a part, that's on Floyd, too.

 

[OHvol40]

Your last sentence is conjecture. And please stop trying to use medical terms. We all know you aren’t in any kind of healthcare field.

Lol

 

[OHvol40]

Too bad your hero died .... while unfortunate and tragic.... there’s still enough “reasonable doubt”....

Handwritten notes taken when the Medical Examiner briefed prosecutors on his findings suggest it was very high – but not necessarily fatal.
“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an O.D. [Over Dose],” the notes say.
“Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” the notes indicate. “But I am not saying this killed him.”

I’ve administered naloxone on multiple occasions to people who have opioid OD, this man was not overdosed on fentanyl. His blood levels of the drug don’t matter nearly as much as his demeanor and level of consciousness. Just like some people would be out cold if they took 4 shots of vodka, and some people wouldn’t be phased one bit even though they would have basically the same BAC.

 

[hUTch2002]

Good one, you are only the 5th person to try and make that joke and you barely spit it out

Sorry, I don’t live on here like you do. Must still sting you though so it was worth it.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Not looking good for the prosecution.

And there you have it.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Medical expert today testified that Floyd's leg showed he had a seizure as a result of lack of oxygen from the restraint.

He also said what the officer did would've killed any otherwise healthy individual and that he estimates Floyd was dead while the officer still had his knee on him for over 2 & a half minutes

I would like to know how Floyd’s leg showed a seizure? You need bilateral rhythmic myoclonus to prove seizure. Is it in a video somewhere?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

It is possible to see it differently than you because overdose is not the only cause of hypoxia. Like maybe someone's knee. Duh dude

The witness is named Martin J. Tobin, MD.

Maybe like his lungs were filled with fluid... duh.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Yes, if you commit a crime as a cop, you should be charged.

You claim to believe BLM, but I also imagine you believe black criminals should be charged.

If you’re going to be a troll, at least be better at it

Tastylicks sucks at trolling. Tralala

 

[Septic]

Your last sentence is conjecture. And please stop trying to use medical terms. We all know you aren’t in any kind of healthcare field.

You're going to want this one back BOT.

 

[Septic]

Maybe like his lungs were filled with fluid... duh.

CPR can also cause that, which he received.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

CPR can also cause that, which he received.

The fentanyl killing him caused it. It shut down his respiratory drive.

 

[Septic]

Too bad your hero died .... while unfortunate and tragic.... there’s still enough “reasonable doubt”....

Handwritten notes taken when the Medical Examiner briefed prosecutors on his findings suggest it was very high – but not necessarily fatal.
“If he were found dead at home alone and no other apparent causes, this could be acceptable to call an O.D. [Over Dose],” the notes say.
“Deaths have been certified with levels of 3,” the notes indicate. “But I am not saying this killed him.”

Nelson, the toxicologist, said “it is not inconceivable” that fentanyl caused some respiratory depression in Floyd, but the drug’s impact cannot be considered separately from the officers’ behavior. Had Floyd been alone, he “probably wouldn’t have died,” Nelson said.

“If you’re not breathing well because you have respiratory depression, adding compression to the chest and neck is certainly going to contribute,” he said.

“Context matters,” Babu said.

If Floyd had ingested an opioid and fell asleep on his way toward an overdose death, several experts told The Post, he wouldn’t, or couldn’t, have spent the next 20 minutes coherently interacting with police, repeatedly describing his claustrophobia and anxiety, battling with them as they tried to put him in a squad car and struggling against the three officers who pinned him facedown on the street. Instead, he would have become even more sluggish on the path toward unconsciousness and death, these experts said.

“It’s just complete garbage to call it an overdose,” said Kimberly Sue, medical director of the Harm Reduction Coalition, a national advocacy group, and a Yale School of Medicine instructor. In an opioid overdose, “a person is basically blue, unresponsive. … It happens usually from the moment people use to 10 minutes.”

Others noted there is no evidence that police or emergency medical personnel who later arrived used the fast-acting opioid antidote naloxone on Floyd, most likely because they did not believe he was showing signs of an opioid overdose. Both carried the medication, with the United States in the midst of the worst drug epidemic in history. Naloxone can be administered by injection or nasal spray.
“Overdose deaths shouldn’t occur in front of trained first responders” who arrive in time, Babu said.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I’ve administered naloxone on multiple occasions to people who have opioid OD, this man was not overdosed on fentanyl. His blood levels of the drug don’t matter nearly as much as his demeanor and level of consciousness. Just like some people would be out cold if they took 4 shots of vodka, and some people wouldn’t be phased one bit even though they would have basically the same BAC.

Blood levels do matter. Receptors are constantly inundated with fentanyl at high levels in the blood are not going to respond to even 4 doses of nalaxone.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

“ who arrived in time”

 

[Septic]

The fentanyl killing him caused it. It shut down his respiratory drive.

Fluid in the lungs can be and is routinely as a result of cpr.

You're implying it was just fentanyl, objectively it could have been the cpr or fentanyl or both.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Your last sentence is conjecture. And please stop trying to use medical terms. We all know you aren’t in any kind of healthcare field.

He was an icu nurse.

 

[Septic]

Blood levels do matter. Receptors are constantly inundated with fentanyl at high levels in the blood are not going to respond to even 4 doses of nalaxone.

Amazing to watch a guy who is actively od'ing on fentanyl walk around, buying smokes, talking with police and also have the wherewithal to "resist arrest."

Somebody needs to pick a lane, either he was OD'ing to the point of respiratory failure or he needed to be restrained with not only handcuffs but a full body weight knee to the neck.

The naloxone comment is interesting, first responders who were trained to to spot an OD and could have administered it were on the scene for 20 minutes and never thought it was necessary.

 

[Septic]

He was an icu nurse.

He was referring to @OHvol40

I know he was a RN but didn't recall where, I was in the TBICU at UAB.

 

[TheDeeble]

Neck restraints yes. Where does it say knee to the neck is allowed? I don’t see it.

It doesn't specify knee. It says "leg".




The training material has a picture of an officer with their knee on a suspects neck.




https://kare11.com/embeds/video/89-fb128289-ca26-426d-a5d6-8900e8f0dc4d/iframe?jwsource=cl
MPD training shows neck restraint similar to that used on Floyd | kare11.com

I'm not getting into whether he's guilty or not guilty. This goes back to a thread on the subject last year where training procedures were discussed. It appears it was part of MPD training despite what they say now.