Derek Chauvin trial

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OHvol40 said:
You’ve never seen what someone looks like when they OD on opioids have you? The guy was going about his day and apparently “resisted arrest”, none of which someone who was about to die from fentanyl toxicity would be doing. Don’t make pull up YouTube videos...
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I work as an EMT. I’ve likely treated far more overdoses than yourself given many of them AMA afterwards and never make it to the hospital.

Here’s the counter to what you’re saying: he had the drugs in his mouth at the time of arrest. So sure he was not actively overdosing when they first encountered him. But he had just then ingested the drugs.
 
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Vol8188 said:
The point is the witness you’re in love with was overstepping what can be objectively stated. Saying things like the knee on the neck/back was the only factor (no death has only 1 factor), that he knows for a fact he had a seizure, or he knows for a fact the drugs didn’t have anything to do with it.

Add that to the fact that he (the witness) ignored the breathing issues Floyd had before he was on the ground.

If he couldn’t breathe before going to the ground, clearly there’s something more than the knee on the neck/back going on here.
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Do you want the medical examiner arrested now too? Cause yesterday people here wanted to arrest the police chief
 
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Vol8188 said:
I work as an EMT. I’ve likely treated far more overdoses than yourself given many of them AMA afterwards and never make it to the hospital.

Here’s the counter to what you’re saying: he had the drugs in his mouth at the time of arrest. So sure he was not actively overdosing when they first encountered him. But he had just then ingested the drugs.
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So, first of all that is strictly a hypothetical and in court, if true, I’m certain would be brought up by the defense. Second of all, I heard an expert say that his respiratory rate while being subdued was estimated at 22, in your experience, what is the average RR of someone who ODs on fentanyl? 8 maybe? When watching the video, point out to me any signs of OD that can’t be explained by a restricted airway. Lastly, if he had just taken the fentanyl at the beginning of the encounter the onset is fast, even buccal fentanyl is 5 min I believe, with peak onset in about 15 min. The guy wouldn’t have been a walkie talkie. Any suggestion that he was ODing is false, and insincere from people like yourself who know better.
 
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OHvol40 said:
So, first of all that is strictly a hypothetical and in court, if true, I’m certain would be brought up by the defense. Second of all, I heard an expert say that his respiratory rate while being subdued was estimated at 22, in your experience, what is the average RR of someone who ODs on fentanyl? 8 maybe? When watching the video, point out to me any signs of OD that can’t be explained by a restricted airway. Lastly, if he had just taken the fentanyl at the beginning of the encounter the onset is fast, even buccal fentanyl is 5 min I believe, with peak onset in about 15 min. The guy wouldn’t have been a walkie talkie. Any suggestion that he was ODing is false, and insincere from people like yourself who know better.
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The entire incident lasted around 15 minutes. Idk how the 5-15 is a counter point. Sure he was breathing at 22 initially. I’m not arguing he was overdosing at that point

If what’s true? The part about the tablets in his mouth? It has been brought up in court
 
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Vol8188 said:
The entire incident lasted around 15 minutes. Idk how the 5-15 is a counter point. Sure he was breathing at 22 initially. I’m not arguing he was overdosing at that point

If what’s true? The part about the tablets in his mouth? It has been brought up in court
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Vol8188 said:
The entire incident lasted around 15 minutes. Idk how the 5-15 is a counter point. Sure he was breathing at 22 initially. I’m not arguing he was overdosing at that point

If what’s true? The part about the tablets in his mouth? It has been brought up in court
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So can you point out to me all the signs of overdose that can’t be explained by the knee on his neck?
 
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OHvol40 said:
So can you point out to me all the signs of overdose that can’t be explained by the knee on his neck?
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Why would signs and symptoms of overdose not count if possibly explained by the knee?

Also what critical signs/symptoms do you feel are missing
 
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OHvol40 said:
So, first of all that is strictly a hypothetical and in court, if true, I’m certain would be brought up by the defense. Second of all, I heard an expert say that his respiratory rate while being subdued was estimated at 22, in your experience, what is the average RR of someone who ODs on fentanyl? 8 maybe? When watching the video, point out to me any signs of OD that can’t be explained by a restricted airway. Lastly, if he had just taken the fentanyl at the beginning of the encounter the onset is fast, even buccal fentanyl is 5 min I believe, with peak onset in about 15 min. The guy wouldn’t have been a walkie talkie. Any suggestion that he was ODing is false, and insincere from people like yourself who know better.
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The simple fact is that if someone has three things going on that might kill him, then you can't just say that one did and the others are irrelevant. If they'd shot Floyd and removed his heart or brain in the process, then you might argue that the fatal injury was in fact fatal ... but still perhaps with extenuating circumstances like he was a mortal threat to others. There's doubt about the cause of death - period, and that's all it takes. What's worse, the city has already paid out the lotto to the family tainting the process. There's gonna be a hot time in the city soon.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why would signs and symptoms of overdose not count if possibly explained by the knee?

Also what critical signs/symptoms do you feel are missing
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Lethargy, unresponsiveness, respiratory rate, vomiting, slurred speech, loss of muscle tone...
 
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OHvol40 said:
Lethargy, unresponsiveness, respiratory rate, vomiting, slurred speech, loss of muscle tone...
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So 10-15 minutes in his respiratory rate was at 0, he was unresponsive, and the others you obviously would be unable to tell because he was unresponsive.

So tell me again, how are you ruling out overdose?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So 10-15 minutes in his respiratory rate was at 0, he was unresponsive, and the others you obviously would be unable to tell because he was unresponsive.

So tell me again, how are you ruling out overdose?
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You think a RR rate goes from 22 to 0 in just a couple minutes on it’s own from someone who is walking around and coherent enough to communicate normally? I hope you never get called to assist any of my loved ones.
 
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OHvol40 said:
You think a RR rate goes from 22 to 0 in just a couple minutes on it’s own from someone who is walking around and coherent enough to communicate normally? I hope you never get called to assist any of my loved ones.
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Didn’t you tell me an opioid overdose would occur within 5-15 minutes (I believe you called 15 the peak)? So we agree his respiratory rate would be dropping from 22 to something near or at zero if he were overdosing?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Didn’t you tell me an opioid overdose would occur within 5-15 minutes (I believe you called 15 the peak)? So we agree his respiratory rate would be dropping from 22 to something near or at zero if he were overdosing?
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No, I said the onset is about 5 min, peak is about 15-30 min. Again, what signs of overdose can you point to before he was restrained and his airway was restricted?
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, I said the onset is about 5 min, peak is about 15-30 min. Again, what signs of overdose can you point to before he was restrained and his airway was restricted?
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We agree he was restrained well within 15 minutes? Likely within 5 minutes or so of contact with the officers? If so, then based on what you’re telling me, we wouldn’t see signs of overdose prior to him being restrained.

Seems like your “peek effect” timeframe (15-30 minutes) corresponds well with the exact time he stopped breathing.
 
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Tastylicks said:
yesterday was a really good day for the prosecution. The medical examiners testimony alone hurts the defendant.

But it seems nobody here is even paying attention. Talking about random things that even the defense isn't bringing up
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You seem to have a lot of free time to watch the trial. Are you retired? You come across as someone fairly young but I could be wrong on that.
 
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OHvol40 said:
No, I said the onset is about 5 min, peak is about 15-30 min. Again, what signs of overdose can you point to before he was restrained and his airway was restricted?
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All this happened within your time frame. Even your argument supports it lol.
 
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utvols88 said:
All this happened within your time frame. Even your argument supports it lol.
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That’s what I’ve been trying to get him to see repeatedly, but because he was “coherent” (a term being used very loosely) at 0-1 minutes and breathing normally, it clearly couldn’t have been an overdose?
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s what I’ve been trying to get him to see repeatedly, but because he was “coherent” (a term being used very loosely) at 0-1 minutes and breathing normally, it clearly couldn’t have been an overdose?
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The "it would have been brought up in court" tell me that he's not paying attention to the cross.
 
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Vol8188 said:
We agree he was restrained well within 15 minutes? Likely within 5 minutes or so of contact with the officers? If so, then based on what you’re telling me, we wouldn’t see signs of overdose prior to him being restrained.

Seems like your “peek effect” timeframe (15-30 minutes) corresponds well with the exact time he stopped breathing.
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That is based solely on your hypothetical about when he ingested the drug and by what route... none of which you know.
 
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