Derek Chauvin trial

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Lerxtwood said:
Neck restraints yes. Where does it say knee to the neck is allowed? I don’t see it.
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That’s what a neck restraint is. Here’s a photo from their own training showing a knee on the neck.
 

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NurseGoodVol said:
I would like to know how Floyd’s leg showed a seizure? You need bilateral rhythmic myoclonus to prove seizure. Is it in a video somewhere?
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That’s why the defense pointed out that he volunteered to do this case. His testimony was odd. Like how he never mentioned the difficulty breathing prior to being on the ground.
 
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yesterday was a really good day for the prosecution. The medical examiners testimony alone hurts the defendant.

But it seems nobody here is even paying attention. Talking about random things that even the defense isn't bringing up
 
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Tastylicks said:
Idk, maybe watch the trial and the testimony for yourself. Try it
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The point is the witness you’re in love with was overstepping what can be objectively stated. Saying things like the knee on the neck/back was the only factor (no death has only 1 factor), that he knows for a fact he had a seizure, or he knows for a fact the drugs didn’t have anything to do with it.

Add that to the fact that he (the witness) ignored the breathing issues Floyd had before he was on the ground.

If he couldn’t breathe before going to the ground, clearly there’s something more than the knee on the neck/back going on here.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
So you're either a liar or not smart enough to be partial?
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No I was law enforcement so I’ll never ever be picked for a jury. I’m talking about the common simple people that defense attorneys and prosecutors WANT and choose on their juries. Did you ever notice CEOs, physicians, Bill Gates, etc don’t sit on juries? Ever wonder why it’s full of housewives, college students and retired people?
 
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OHvol40 said:
I’ve administered naloxone on multiple occasions to people who have opioid OD, this man was not overdosed on fentanyl. His blood levels of the drug don’t matter nearly as much as his demeanor and level of consciousness. Just like some people would be out cold if they took 4 shots of vodka, and some people wouldn’t be phased one bit even though they would have basically the same BAC.
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Except he had been seen in the ED 40 plus times for similar ODs and heart related issues because of it in the past two years prior as well as being narcanned 5 times previously when he almost died to similar circumstances. Stick to the changing out bedpans
 
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OHvol40 said:
I’ve administered naloxone on multiple occasions to people who have opioid OD, this man was not overdosed on fentanyl. His blood levels of the drug don’t matter nearly as much as his demeanor and level of consciousness. Just like some people would be out cold if they took 4 shots of vodka, and some people wouldn’t be phased one bit even though they would have basically the same BAC.
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Demeanor and LOC? Can you elaborate? His demeanor seemed erratic and he obviously lost consciousness at some point. How are those contraindications of overdose?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Lmao the best part of that is when they claimed he was “coherently interacting with police”

Clearly this is an unbiased source
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Admittedly, coherent was a stretch but he was absolutely communicating. People in the throes of overdosing aren't able to fend off police needing cuffs and physical restraint nor are they explaining that they're claustrophobic.

Again, either he was od'ing or he was resisting necessitating cuffs n' knees. Can't use both as a defense, well.. not and still be convincing.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I’ve administered naloxone on multiple occasions to people who have opioid OD, this man was not overdosed on fentanyl. His blood levels of the drug don’t matter nearly as much as his demeanor and level of consciousness. Just like some people would be out cold if they took 4 shots of vodka, and some people wouldn’t be phased one bit even though they would have basically the same BAC.
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How would the meth have impacted him?
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s what a neck restraint is. Here’s a photo from their own training showing a knee on the neck.
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The irony of the text in that picture are glaring.

"One in handcuffs, get EMS to the scene quickly to monitor and transport."
 
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Septic said:
Admittedly, coherent was a stretch but he was absolutely communicating. People in the throes of overdosing aren't able to fend off police needing cuffs and physical restraint nor are they explaining that they're claustrophobic.

Again, either he was od'ing or he was resisting necessitating cuffs n' knees. Can't use both as a defense, well.. not and still be convincing.
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Could the fact that he was also on meth, a stimulant, negate the sluggishness brought on by fentanyl OD? Legit question.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Could the fact that he was also on meth, a stimulant, negate the sluggishness brought on by fentanyl OD? Legit question.
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Meth can stay in your system for days without the effects of the 'high.'

Despite @NurseGoodVol statement to the contrary, the 'levels' of drugs in his system are meaningless for someone who takes them often.

For example, a handle of Jim Beam would kill me if consumed in one sitting, whereas guys like Volmav choke one down just before logging in to Volnation every day.

"The experts agreed that the amount of fentanyl found in Floyd’s blood was very high, at 11 nanograms per milliliter. Lewis Nelson, chief of the Division of Medical Toxicology for Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, said that amount indicates enough to cause a fatal overdose in someone taking the drug for the first time. The analysis was conducted by NMS Labs, a Pennsylvania company.
But Floyd was a longtime fentanyl user — Chauvin’s defense called him an “addict” — who probably had built a tolerance to the drug and could consume larger-than-average amounts without overdosing, experts said. Longtime opioid users often need to take increasing amounts of the drug to achieve the same level of euphoria.
 
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Septic said:
Admittedly, coherent was a stretch but he was absolutely communicating. People in the throes of overdosing aren't able to fend off police needing cuffs and physical restraint nor are they explaining that they're claustrophobic.

Again, either he was od'ing or he was resisting necessitating cuffs n' knees. Can't use both as a defense, well.. not and still be convincing.
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I don’t completely disagree with you. At that moment he wasn’t overdosing. He was clearly high as hell, but not actively overdosing. He was also in some kind of respiratory distress (which I don’t think either side has fully explained to this point).

But we also know that he had the drugs in his mouth at the time of the arrest and that he slit them out into the police car at some point.

Given that, is it possible he didn’t overdose until he was on the ground?

Also, I don’t think anyone believes he’s actually claustrophobic given he was just removed from an even smaller vehicle
 
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Septic said:
The irony of the text in that picture are glaring.

"One in handcuffs, get EMS to the scene quickly to monitor and transport."
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I don’t understand what you’re saying? EMS arrived within what, ten minutes? It would seem they called pretty quick.
 
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Septic said:
Meth can stay in your system for days without the effects of the 'high.'

Despite @NurseGoodVol statement to the contrary, the 'levels' of drugs in his system are meaningless for someone who takes them often.

For example, a handle of Jim Beam would kill me if consumed in one sitting, whereas guys like Volmav choke one down just before logging in to Volnation every day.

"The experts agreed that the amount of fentanyl found in Floyd’s blood was very high, at 11 nanograms per milliliter. Lewis Nelson, chief of the Division of Medical Toxicology for Rutgers New Jersey Medical School, said that amount indicates enough to cause a fatal overdose in someone taking the drug for the first time. The analysis was conducted by NMS Labs, a Pennsylvania company.
But Floyd was a longtime fentanyl user — Chauvin’s defense called him an “addict” — who probably had built a tolerance to the drug and could consume larger-than-average amounts without overdosing, experts said. Longtime opioid users often need to take increasing amounts of the drug to achieve the same level of euphoria.
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To be fair the amount he had was more than just enough to kill a first time user. It was 3-4x the LD50. Idk the exact bell curve for that drug to calculate the exact z score, but I’d imagine less than 1% of the population could survive that amount.
 
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Septic said:
Admittedly, coherent was a stretch but he was absolutely communicating. People in the throes of overdosing aren't able to fend off police needing cuffs and physical restraint nor are they explaining that they're claustrophobic.

Again, either he was od'ing or he was resisting necessitating cuffs n' knees. Can't use both as a defense, well.. not and still be convincing.
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Lol
 
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Vol8188 said:
Demeanor and LOC? Can you elaborate? His demeanor seemed erratic and he obviously lost consciousness at some point. How are those contraindications of overdose?
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You’ve never seen what someone looks like when they OD on opioids have you? The guy was going about his day and apparently “resisted arrest”, none of which someone who was about to die from fentanyl toxicity would be doing. Don’t make pull up YouTube videos...
 
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