Derek Chauvin trial

[Ttucke11]

Timathy mcveigh would agree.

Great example, there’s a ton of them. Unknown amount of lives saved from DUIs from traffic infractions.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

People who don’t pay taxes still want their neighborhoods policed, they just want them policed like the neighborhoods where people do pay taxes.

Well, I want to run thru the T on Saturdays.

 

[Tastylicks]

The biggest thing (worst thing) is that police officers take it so personal when someone else in their field is bad at their jobs.

For example, random police officers all over the country rushed to Chauvin's defense or that lady with the taser's defense as if its impossible for another police officer to simply be bad at their jobs...

Why is that? Are they so engaged in a culture war they lose common sense?
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I work in marketing & sales. If a marketing assistant in Minnesota kills someone at her work, I'm not digging in saying "well it must be the victim's fault!" hell no, that bitch shouldn't have killed someone, I'm on board with that and its easy

 

[volfanhill]

The biggest thing (worst thing) is that police officers take it so personal when someone else in their field is bad at their jobs.

For example, random police officers all over the country rushed to Chauvin's defense or that lady with the taser's defense as if its impossible for another police officer to simply be bad at their jobs...

Why is that? Are they so engaged in a culture war they lose common sense?
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I work in marketing & sales. If a marketing assistant in Minnesota kills someone at her work, I'm not digging in saying "well it must be the victim's fault!" hell no, that bitch shouldn't have killed someone, I'm on board with that and its easy

Does your marketing team often find themselves making life and death decisions?

 

[Tastylicks]

Does your marketing team often find themselves making life and death decisions?

only when we haven't had enough coffee

 

[McDad]

only when we haven't had enough coffee

LOl

to your other post, it is definitely an "us against the world" mindset. I don't know if that is the union influence or simply just the culture of copdom. But it needs a-changin'.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Or the police could to stop treating everyone in that neighborhood as if they’re a violent criminal.

Except that’s not the majority of departments not areas around the country

 

[Rickyvol77]

I agree with most of this, including that it’s not about race. I say appearance (of which race is a factor), but if the differences justify the disparity, then end police practices that put police in dangerous, nonexigent situations.

If a traffic stop for a broken taillight is legitimately so dangerous that a police officer’s innate fear might cause them to panic and mistakenly shoot someone, then quit primarily relying on pretextual traffic stops for drug interdiction. Just keep police out of that dangerous situation. Particularly if the community that you’re “protecting” from a zip of weed doesn’t want to be protected that way.

How many police yearly mistakenly shoot someone? You’re more likely to get a grand piano dropped on your head

 

[VolStrom]

The biggest thing (worst thing) is that police officers take it so personal when someone else in their field is bad at their jobs.

For example, random police officers all over the country rushed to Chauvin's defense or that lady with the taser's defense as if its impossible for another police officer to simply be bad at their jobs...

Why is that? Are they so engaged in a culture war they lose common sense?
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I work in marketing & sales. If a marketing assistant in Minnesota kills someone at her work, I'm not digging in saying "well it must be the victim's fault!" hell no, that bitch shouldn't have killed someone, I'm on board with that and its easy

To decode this for McDad, this means I work for Walmart and I want $20/hour to stock shelves because I'm super duper smart with my degree in art history.

 

[Rickyvol77]

The biggest thing (worst thing) is that police officers take it so personal when someone else in their field is bad at their jobs.

For example, random police officers all over the country rushed to Chauvin's defense or that lady with the taser's defense as if its impossible for another police officer to simply be bad at their jobs...

Why is that? Are they so engaged in a culture war they lose common sense?
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I work in marketing & sales. If a marketing assistant in Minnesota kills someone at her work, I'm not digging in saying "well it must be the victim's fault!" hell no, that bitch shouldn't have killed someone, I'm on board with that and its easy

It’s not that at all. We can critique other officers all day and I will if they break the law or do something egregious from a training standpoint, but most laypeople who comment as critics on FB or on here don’t have a clear understanding of police training, tactics, law or anything to have an educated opinion on the subject. Hell in the justified shooting in Columbus thread there was a “why didn’t the officer shoot her in leg or taze her?”
it’s hard to take the opinions of people ignorant on the topic at hand seriously

 

[landscapingvol]

It’s not that at all. We can critique other officers all day and I will if they break the law or do something egregious from a training standpoint, but most laypeople who comment as critics on FB or on here don’t have a clear understanding of police training, tactics, law or anything to have an educated opinion on the subject. Hell in the justified shooting in Columbus thread there was a “why didn’t the officer shoot her in leg or taze her?”
it’s hard to take the opinions of people ignorant on the topic at hand seriously

People became virologists over the past year, why can't they also be experts in criminal justice?! It's amazing how opinionated some people are in subjects that they have no clue what they are talking about. Passion and feelings are the only two things you need in a debate these days to be "right"

 

[Vol8188]

I want to see you defend this nonsense. You attempt to pretend that you base your opinions in objective logic.

So go ahead. Explain how 2nd degree murder is the appropriate charge?

 

[Vol8188]

The biggest thing (worst thing) is that police officers take it so personal when someone else in their field is bad at their jobs.

For example, random police officers all over the country rushed to Chauvin's defense or that lady with the taser's defense as if its impossible for another police officer to simply be bad at their jobs...

Why is that? Are they so engaged in a culture war they lose common sense?
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I work in marketing & sales. If a marketing assistant in Minnesota kills someone at her work, I'm not digging in saying "well it must be the victim's fault!" hell no, that bitch shouldn't have killed someone, I'm on board with that and its easy

No one was defending them by saying they weren’t bad at their jobs. You’re fighting a strawman. What the “defenders” have said is that neither is an example of “racism” or “systemic racism”

 

[n_huffhines]

I want to see you defend this nonsense. You attempt to pretend that you base your opinions in objective logic.

So go ahead. Explain how 2nd degree murder is the appropriate charge?

Why do people waste so much time arguing to make sure every detail is said exactly the way they see fit? Why waste anytime worrying about Chauvin?

You're not understanding the tweets. The "reverse verdict" wouldn't be guilty, guilty, not guilty, it would be not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.

 

[Tastylicks]

No one was defending them by saying they weren’t bad at their jobs. You’re fighting a strawmen. What the “defenders” have said is that neither is an example of “racism” or “systemic racism”

That's wrong. Plennnnty of people argued Chauvin was innocent and/or just following proper procedures

 

[Vol8188]

Why do people waste so much time arguing to make sure every detail is said exactly the way they see fit? Why waste anytime worrying about Chauvin?

You're not understanding the tweets. The "reverse verdict" wouldn't be guilty, guilty, not guilty, it would be not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.

My issue is simple. You appear to be defending what is an obvious wrong verdict.

Are you saying you agree the verdict was wrong?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

This is where the defense failed in winning the jury instruction argument and failed in presenting almost no case about assault intent. The assault intent was glossed over in the jury instructions allowing far wider latitude than what's written in Minnesota law. Chauvin is a POS cop and guilty but every criminal will cry assault when restrained and this woke jury just gave them a free ticket to $$$ settlements. I hope the murder convictions are overturned.

I thought that as well. When assault entered the prosecutions closing argument, that sets bad precedence I would think. Like you said every thug they arrest is gonna scream 'assault'. Oh well, it's Minnesota's problem... for now.

 

[Vol8188]

That's wrong. Plennnnty of people argued Chauvin was innocent

Innocent or good at his job? You’re moving the goal post. You claimed all these cops were arguing Chauvin and the taser lady were good at their job.

I’ve yet to find that argument. The argument is there’s 0 evidence either was racial in nature. There’s 0 evidence either is an example of intentionally murder. At best both are manslaughter

 

[n_huffhines]

My issue is simple. You appear to be defending what is an obvious wrong verdict.

Are you saying you agree the verdict was wrong?

How am I defending the verdict? What would make you think I am saying the verdict is wrong or exactly right? Nothing I have said is in relation to that.

Why are you trying to rope me into this conversation that I just said is a waste of time? You missed the point of the tweet. I've told you before that I don't care about the specifics of this case nor did I pay attention to it, and it's specifically for this reason. You want to argue about pointless **** in defense of somebody who is not worthy of defending. Go be a contrarian for the sake of somebody worth defending.

 

[Vol8188]

How am I defending the verdict? What would make you think I am saying the verdict is wrong or exactly right? Nothing I have said is in relation to that.

Why are you trying to rope me into this conversation that I just said is a waste of time? You missed the point of the tweet. I've told you before that I don't care about the specifics of this case nor did I pay attention to it, and it's specifically for this reason. You want to argue about pointless **** in defense of somebody who is not worthy of defending. Go be a contrarian for the sake of somebody worth defending.

I’m I being contrarian for the sake of it? Or am I speaking out against someone being a political prisoner. Even LG would agree that 2nd degree murder is not an appropriate charge here.

So yes, if you share memes about this being “justice” you should be willing to defend that claim.

 

[LouderVol]

The biggest thing (worst thing) is that police officers take it so personal when someone else in their field is bad at their jobs.

For example, random police officers all over the country rushed to Chauvin's defense or that lady with the taser's defense as if its impossible for another police officer to simply be bad at their jobs...

Why is that? Are they so engaged in a culture war they lose common sense?
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I work in marketing & sales. If a marketing assistant in Minnesota kills someone at her work, I'm not digging in saying "well it must be the victim's fault!" hell no, that bitch shouldn't have killed someone, I'm on board with that and its easy

It's the same thing for the victims. It's never a criminal that gets shot in their mindset. It's some innocent boy riding his bicycle back after robbing the local store. Look at the knife case, she was clearly about to stab another person, but it's the cops fault...

The reaction is the same process you brought up for cops.

 

[Rickyvol77]

That's wrong. Plennnnty of people argued Chauvin was innocent and/or just following proper procedures

I saw posters arguing intent vs negligence.
1 of three things happened here on this incident:

1) Chauvin had a legal arrest against Floyd who resisted and quickly swallowed a bag of fentanyl laced meth. Chauvin pulled him out of the back of the cruiser because Floyd was resisting and was in distress, so Chauvin and other officers laid him on the ground as they called for an ambulance. Due to Floyd's reactions, which caused distress among a crowd of onlookers who begin to yell at the officers, Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's back (which 44 other officers had done during the past few years at Minneapolis PD) and either to show up the crowd or refusal to back down left it there for 9 minutes. In the meantime, positional asphyxiation and the effects of the drug overdose killed Floyd, to which then Chauvin realized uh oh, maybe I shouldn't have done that and was negligent

2) Chauvin had a legal arrest against Floyd who resisted and quickly swallowed a bag of fentanyl laced meth. Chauvin pulled him out of the back of the cruiser because Floyd was resisting and was in distress, so Chauvin and other officers laid him on the ground as they called for an ambulance. Due to Floyd's reactions, which caused distress among a crowd of onlookers who begin to yell at the officers, Chauvin put his knee on Floyd's back to teach him a lesson because he was on a power ego trip and refused to back down. The knee caused direct pressure to the back of Floyds shoulders and back which further made the asphyxiation worse since he was handcuffed and prone AND had drugs in his system and definitely was the main reason that Floyd died. Chauvin was reckless and negligent and didn't really care even after the fact what happened to Floyd because he felt he "deserved it"

3) Chauvin rolled up and decided to arrest Floyd immediately due to his racism and looking for a black person to be able to harrass. Chauvin got pissed that he resisted and wasn't answering questions. When Floyd was handcuffed and then fought against going back in the patrol vehicle, Chauvin decided to teach him a lesson and and placed Floyd on the ground and put all his weight into his back and neck in an intentional act to attempt to seriously injure or kill him.

3 is the least likely scenario with Occam's Razor in effect.

This was negligence and indifference at worst

 

[Sandman 423]

Why do people waste so much time arguing to make sure every detail is said exactly the way they see fit? Why waste anytime worrying about Chauvin?

You're not understanding the tweets. The "reverse verdict" wouldn't be guilty, guilty, not guilty, it would be not guilty, not guilty, not guilty.

Why waste time on either one? It appears that Floyd was an oxygen thief and Chauvin an utter moron undeserving of the responsibility he had.

 

[Ttucke11]

The biggest thing (worst thing) is that police officers take it so personal when someone else in their field is bad at their jobs.

For example, random police officers all over the country rushed to Chauvin's defense or that lady with the taser's defense as if its impossible for another police officer to simply be bad at their jobs...

Why is that? Are they so engaged in a culture war they lose common sense?
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I work in marketing & sales. If a marketing assistant in Minnesota kills someone at her work, I'm not digging in saying "well it must be the victim's fault!" hell no, that bitch shouldn't have killed someone, I'm on board with that and its easy

Zero officers I know rushed to Chauvin's defense. The only defense I made for the lady was that it was a mistake, and it was clearly not intentional. Not excusing it at all, and she will be tried and convicted. The last part I agree with, except it's not only officers. The entire country is in a culture war and everyone has lost their common sense.

If a marketing assistant in Minnesota killed someone you wouldn't have people coming up to you and accusing you of being a racist murderer. That happens on a daily basis to cops around the country. Doesn't matter how much that individual person denounces an act.

Having the opinion that Chauvin or the lady are being overcharged and won't/didn't receive proper trials does not mean that I think they aren't guilty. I'm just worried about the precedence it is setting. Media trying to reveal information about the jury to the public is an incredibly scary thing, setting up a future where police would not receive a fair trial in any situation.

 

[n_huffhines]

Why waste time on either one? It appears that Floyd was an oxygen thief and Chauvin an utter moron undeserving of the responsibility he had.

For me, Floyd's death represents a big problem in America (and I haven't spent much time discussing GF). Guilty cops being over-punished is not a problem in America.