Did He Seriously Pick Panetta....

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TennTradition said:
Ahhh.... :)
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I have had to sit through some of his policy briefs, or whatever you would call them. And I think this is a extremely bad hire, he doesn't seem to want to listen to the guys with on the ground experience but kisses up to you if your famous.

we don't call him Hollywood for nothing.
 
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MontereyVol said:
I have had to sit through some of his policy briefs, or whatever you would call them. And I think this is a extremely bad hire, he doesn't seem to want to listen to the guys with on the ground experience but kisses up to you if your famous.

we don't call him Hollywood for nothing.
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Eek...he may not survive confirmation...but I would say he will. Those on the intelligence committee (including the dems) aren't overly happy...but I'm sure when it comes time they'll toe the line. I hope he isn't bad (and we don't know that he wants to further reduce human assets), but it just seems like the only thing he has going for him is he is a "good manager." The dems on the intelligence committees should have done their work to pave the way for someone with experience but somewhat "dirty" hands (at least, in their eyes) to be able to take the spot. Instead...they get this.
 
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TennTradition said:
Eek...he may not survive confirmation...but I would say he will. Those on the intelligence committee (including the dems) aren't overly happy...but I'm sure when it comes time they'll toe the line. I hope he isn't bad (and we don't know that he wants to further reduce human assets), but it just seems like the only thing he has going for him is he is a "good manager." The dems on the intelligence committees should have done their work to pave the way for someone with experience but somewhat "dirty" hands to be able to take the spot. Instead...they get this.
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Who knows? He is good rubbing elbows so he may be a good hire, its the way his thought processes flow that worry me. I watched him go gaga over what Murtha had to say about Democracy in Iraq and totally ignore a General who should have put Murtha in a headlock and air dropped his butt in Iraq to see what the hell really works.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Who knows? He is good rubbing elbows so he may be a good hire, its the way his thought processes flow that worry me. I watched him go gaga over what Murtha had to say about Democracy in Iraq and totally ignore a General who should have put Murtha in a headlock and air dropped his butt in Iraq to see what the hell really works.
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Let's hope he will be successful...the agency hasn't had an easy time the last 15 years....it could use good leadership and not a step back.
 
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truefan said:
YOu know it really doesn't matter. You guys on the right aren't going to agree with anything that comes from a democrat....even with common sense staring at you front and center. Like today in the basketball forum. You called BS on me on something I know for a fact. More so because it was me, the democrat, making the statement. And rather than going into a diatribe and explaing to you how you had no clue, I just let it go. (The NCAA investigation thing) This was clear proof you will have the tendency to disagree with a dem just because they are a dem, regardless of the facts.
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Clearly your views on basketball issues are not taken seriously because of your political affiliations.
 
#59
#59
Not to worry guys, Sandy Burglar endorces Panetta!!!

Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, Clinton's national security adviser, said that Panetta "was part of the decision-making process for every single issue we were dealing with, whether this was in the Oval Office with the president or the Cabinet Room — the Middle East, Kosovo, China. He was a part of a small group of people who advised the president how to proceed on strategy and substance."

Sandy Berger was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents from the National Archives and intentionally destroying some of them.

Berger had to perform 100 hours of community service and pay the fine as well as $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation, a district court judge ruled.

I feel better about Panetta now, don't you?

Not only that if any of those radical Maoists say; "paper tiger" we can say; "beg your pardon, paper mache tiger please, we have a pinata heading up our CIA."

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Ok, I admit that looks more like a donkey than a tiger but I'm sure Peking will get the point.

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I am surprised that anyone would express any sort of surprise at any appointments that Obama would be making, what did you expect???
 
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MontereyVol said:
I have had to sit through some of his policy briefs, or whatever you would call them. And I think this is a extremely bad hire, he doesn't seem to want to listen to the guys with on the ground experience but kisses up to you if your famous.

we don't call him Hollywood for nothing.
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Reminds me of Rumsfeld.
 
#61
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DC Vol said:
Reminds me of Rumsfeld.
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negative. Rumsfeld was the smartest guy in the room when he walked in. Panetta is not.

Rumsfeld ruffled feathers with much of the brass, but none ever doubted his purpose or that he was smart as hell.
 
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Rummy had good ideas and implemented/planned them badly. Penneta would probably be the opposite of this
 
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BigPapaVol said:
negative. Rumsfeld was the smartest guy in the room when he walked in. Panetta is not.

Rumsfeld ruffled feathers with much of the brass, but none ever doubted his purpose or that he was smart as hell.
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My comment was 100% about Rumsfeld's abrasive nature, not his qualifications. With that said, Rumsfeld was not liked by many active military personnel.... make no mistake, he was a civilian making decisions against career military professionals.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
negative. Rumsfeld was the smartest guy in the room when he walked in. Panetta is not.

Rumsfeld ruffled feathers with much of the brass, but none ever doubted his purpose or that he was smart as hell.
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John Deutch was another Clinton guy who was the smartest guy in the room as well - unfortunately that mold didn't work out well at Langley either...
 
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DC Vol said:
My comment was 100% about Rumsfeld's abrasive nature, not his qualifications. With that said, Rumsfeld was not liked by many active military personnel.... make no mistake, he was a civilian making decisions against career military professionals.
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gotcha.

Rumsfeld was telling old school military to change their paradigm a bit and it didn't go over very well with old school artillery and tanker types.
 
#68
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BigPapaVol said:
gotcha.

Rumsfeld was telling old school military to change their paradigm a bit and it didn't go over very well with old school artillery and tanker types.
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Not entirely true. In the least. He didn't understand entirely what was going on in Iraq when he was making specific decisions.

There are things that will change and there are things that will not ever change as far as war-fighting. Reading Tom Clancy or learning from a classroom does not equal viable and realistic experience fighting a war.
 
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TennTradition said:
John Deutch was another Clinton guy who was the smartest guy in the room as well - unfortunately that mold didn't work out well at Langley either...
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I think Rumsfeld was good for the military, he was just at the helm of a very unpopular war and probably overestimated our ability to be policemen.
 
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Like I said Rummy had good ideas and we still need to implement them. Right on Afghanistan, dead wrong on Iraq. Implementing the same plan for both countries was a train wreck waiting to happen.

Those old Artillary/tank types still have some common sense.
 
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DC Vol said:
Not entirely true. In the least. He didn't understand entirely what was going on in Iraq when he was making specific decisions.

There are things that will change and there are things that will not ever change as far as war-fighting. Reading Tom Clancy or learning from a classroom does not equal viable and realistic experience fighting a war.
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do what? On the defense side, which was his job, he absolutely dropped the hammer in Afghanistan and Iraq. The policing side he was unprepared and ill equipped for.

He forced our commanders to think about projection of force in a very different way and it was a very uncomfortable relationship because of that.
 
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If Panetta did play a vital role in the policy decisions concerning the middle east under Clinton I have all the reason I need to dislike this choice.
 
#73
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BigPapaVol said:
I think Rumsfeld was good for the military, he was just at the helm of a very unpopular war and probably overestimated our ability to be policemen.
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Well, he underestimated the various dynamics that dictate how Iraq should have been handled, and he didn't listen to advice and input from his military compatriots.

Everything considered, Iraq is by far the most complicated military this country has ever been engaged in. No singular mind could possibly have all of the answers... and bull-headedness is no way to conduct yourself on a professional panel.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Like I said Rummy had good ideas and we still need to implement them. Right on Afghanistan, dead wrong on Iraq. Implementing the same plan for both countries was a train wreck waiting to happen.

Those old Artillary/tank types still have some common sense.
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no doubt those folks have some invaluable experience and knowledge that he dismissed.

I don't the think the plans were the same for the two countries. The occupation of Iraq was the problem and probably not one that could have been solved. It was going to be ugly and painful regardless of our approach.
 
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DC Vol said:
Well, he underestimated the various dynamics that dictate how Iraq should have been handled, and he didn't listen to advice and input from his military compatriots.

Everything considered, Iraq is by far the most complicated military this country has ever been engaged in. No singular mind could possibly have all of the answers... and bull-headedness is no way to conduct yourself on a professional panel.
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I will have to disagree with you on this one.
 
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