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#153
emainvol said:
sure, act all high and mighty because you have a functional family

truth be told, my parents weren't, I think it was a shotgun wedding.
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I always act high and mighty, Emain. You know this. All part of being an "unapologetic @**hole." Also known as, reaching Maslow's Fifth and Final Stage: Self-Actualization!:hi:
 
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#157
StunnA N' Orange said:
You're honestly trying to tell us heading into a recession period is leaving the economy in reasonable shape?
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our last president left the economy heading into a recession too. unemployment is still near historical lows and let's face it as long as the president doesn't go wackjob (i.e. obama type policies) he doesn't have that much of an effect on the economy.
 
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droski said:
our last president left the economy heading into a recession too. unemployment is still near historical lows and let's face it as long as the president doesn't go wackjob (i.e. obama type policies) he doesn't have that much of an effect on the economy.
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If someone loses a job making $20.00 an hour and has no choice but to take a job making $8.00 an hour, by replacing one job with another doesn't that keep the unemployment level low? I don't think that's an accurate measure of the economy. If you graduate from college with intentions of making 100K + a year but can only get a job making 50k a year, isn't that still a job which is counted towards keeping unemployment low?
 
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jkell24 said:
If you graduate from college with intentions of making 100K + a year but can only get a job making 50k a year, isn't that still a job which is counted towards keeping unemployment low?
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maybe but I lean toward an idiot over-valuing their skills. The market is paying them what they're worth
 
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jkell24 said:
If someone loses a job making $20.00 an hour and has no choice but to take a job making $8.00 an hour, by replacing one job with another doesn't that keep the unemployment level low? I don't think that's an accurate measure of the economy. If you graduate from college with intentions of making 100K + a year but can only get a job making 50k a year, isn't that still a job which is counted towards keeping unemployment low?
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i don't know where you are getting your statistics, but total wages (i.e. number of people employed times their income) is the highest it has ever been. Bureau of Labor Statistics Home Page has that info. you could argue that since the clinton years that wage growth has lagged inflation, but i haven't seen any evidence that suggest wage deflation.
 
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utvolpj said:
maybe but I lean toward an idiot over-valuing their skills. The market is paying them what they're worth
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i'd have to agree. the only people i know who fit in that category were dotcomers who were making insane money even though they had art degrees. and people making $8 an hour generally don't have marketable skills. they might have been making $20 an hour working for a union or something.
 
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utvolpj said:
maybe but I lean toward an idiot over-valuing their skills. The market is paying them what they're worth
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Do you think that every graduate has a job waiting for them? If you can't find a job and have to settle for a lesser job than I don't see that as "over-valuing" if they truly have the skills for that job that is not there.
 
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droski said:
i'd have to agree. the only people i know who fit in that category were dotcomers who were making insane money even though they had art degrees. and people making $8 an hour generally don't have marketable skills. they might have been making $20 an hour working for a union or something.
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Maybe they don't have marketable skills but it doesn't change the idea of unemployment numbers not changing if they take that job after losing the $20.00 an hour job. There are a lot of union members in Michigan that are in this situation. If you support the union or not that is another discussion for another time but it still makes for an example of how this is not a true gauge of our economy.
 
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jkell24 said:
Maybe they don't have marketable skills but it doesn't change the idea of unemployment numbers not changing if they take that job after losing the $20.00 an hour job. There are a lot of union members in Michigan that are in this situation. If you support the union or not that is another discussion for another time but it still makes for an example of how this is not a true gauge of our economy.
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once again total wages are the highest ever so obviously most people don't fit into this category. when i worked for a race track we had union guys making $20 an hour who were cleaning toilets. they also got paid for 40 hours a week when they only worked 35. and then people wonder why GM and Ford are going out of business. socialism at its finest.
 
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jkell24 said:
Maybe they don't have marketable skills but it doesn't change the idea of unemployment numbers not changing if they take that job after losing the $20.00 an hour job. There are a lot of union members in Michigan that are in this situation. If you support the union or not that is another discussion for another time but it still makes for an example of how this is not a true gauge of our economy.
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My advice to union workers. Use the time you are being paid a decent wage, although you have no marketable skills, to acquire some marketable skills. That way when your company goes kaput because they can no longer compete because of the gouging they have been taking, you will be able to find a real job.
 
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jkell24 said:
Do you think that every graduate has a job waiting for them? If you can't find a job and have to settle for a lesser job than I don't see that as "over-valuing" if they truly have the skills for that job that is not there.
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there are very few (if any) college grads that command the type of money they believe they are due. It's great they think their skills are worth $100k but the market is telling them they are not. You are only worth what someone is willing to pay you.
 
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utvolpj said:
there are very few (if any) college grads that command the type of money they believe they are due. It's great they think their skills are worth $100k but the market is telling them they are not. You are only worth what someone is willing to pay you.
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That is a good point. I just think that if the economy is stronger than there might be someone else willing to pay you more. I guess I am assuming a good economy would lead to more options for the graduate to land that higher paying job.
 
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#170
utvolpj said:
there are very few (if any) college grads that command the type of money they believe they are due. It's great they think their skills are worth $100k but the market is telling them they are not. You are only worth what someone is willing to pay you.
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i regurally hire college grads and it's amazing when salary comes around that they expect to be paid 10-20K higher than the average starting salary in the industry. it's as though they do no research.
 
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jkell24 said:
That is a good point. I just think that if the economy is stronger than there might be someone else willing to pay you more. I guess I am assuming a good economy would lead to more options for the graduate to land that higher paying job.
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i'd argue the economy isn't a bad one. it's much easier to get a well paying job now (in my experience) than it was say in 2001 or 2002. unless you are in finance :sick:. hopefully i wont get fired :)
 
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#172
jkell24 said:
That is a good point. I just think that if the economy is stronger than there might be someone else willing to pay you more. I guess I am assuming a good economy would lead to more options for the graduate to land that higher paying job.
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It depends highly on what type degree they graduate with. If they choose to major in Poetry, I hope they get my order right at Applebees.
 
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droski said:
i'd argue the economy isn't a bad one. it's much easier to get a well paying job now (in my experience) than it was say in 2001 or 2002. unless you are in finance :sick:. hopefully i wont get fired :)
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Most people in their 30s I would say have not seen a bad economy. Dips for sure, but not bad. The last real bad one I would say was in the late 70s/early 80s. I was just a kid so don't really know how bad it was but it seemed fairly lousy.
 
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