Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

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InVOLuntary said:
You've seen it and refused to accept it too. Show me a pic of phot and I'll jump right on board with you. I can howver show you several shots that make it impossible to tell so that makes it very disputable.
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I accept that the call was correct. And you've seen every shot. I've seen the SAME shots you claim proves your point, and they don't.

Nothing I can show you is going to change your opinion because you see what you want. What I see meshes exactly with what the replay officials ruled.

So if you think the replay officials missed it that badly, then I suggest you start raising holy heck to get replay done away with.
 
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how are you going to argue that a end zone view is better than a side line view when dealing with distance? do you understand the concept of angles? It was a fumble. It sucks, but it was a fumble
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You've seen it and refused to accept it too. Show me a pic or a video and I'll jump right on board with you. I can howver show you several shots that make it impossible to tell so that makes it very disputable.
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What a bunch of d*****bag vol fans you know we used to back our team better. Very sad
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
At this point, it's obvious nothing anyone says is going to sway you, and it's 100% because it happened to the Vols.

I don't know how much clearer to make it for you; you're going to believe it was the wrong call no matter what anyone says or points out to you, because you're going to cling like mad to some silly legalistic viewpoint of "You have to prove he was fumbling". The fact is he was losing the ball before it hit the goal line. Choose to believe that or not, but in the end what your opinion is doesn't matter at all.

It wasn't a touchdown.
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To be fair the same can be said for you. No matter how much evidence we provide to back our position you are not going to change your mind. And no, it's not a fact that he lost the ball before it hit the goal line. That's just you're interpretation. If that were a fact we wouldn't have this much discussion.

For the record, I'm not seeing what I want to see. I'm seeing what the video captured. I saw nothing indisputable.

On a side note I've thought for a while now videos should be time stamped and synced. In this situation the replay official would determine the exact time when the ball touched the plane. He would then go to that exact time on a different video to determine whether or not he had the ball.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I accept that the call was correct. And you've seen every shot. I've seen the SAME shots you claim proves your point, and they don't.

Nothing I can show you is going to change your opinion because you see what you want. What I see meshes exactly with what the replay officials ruled.

So if you think the replay officials missed it that badly, then I suggest you start raising holy heck to get replay done away with.
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Again you're convinced and there's nothing I can say to convince you but I've given you the opportunity to convince me by offering one pic showing air between pig's hand and the ball and you can't because it doesn't exist. There is not one bit of evidence either way so by rule, the TD should have stood.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
But it's a fair assumption. Like I said if you guys are going to nitpick the review, then what I posted is fair game too.
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So you have conceded a point is disputable, not particularly relevant to the replay standard, to argue that we should quit talking about it. You know, I am happy to agree to disagree. Truth is that it might have reasonably been called a TD.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Again you're convinced and there's nothing I can say to convince you but I've given you the opportunity to convince me by offering one pic showing air between pig's hand and the ball and you can't because it doesn't exist. There is not one bit of evidence either way so by rule, the TD should have stood.
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That's your interpretation and an opinion. The replay officials, who are paid to do it and I would wager are far more qualified than you do to so, ruled differently.

So unless you think they are either incompetent fools who have no business being replay officials, or you buy into some conspiracy that the SEC wanted UGA to win the game, the correct call was made.

The bottom line, you don't have to be convinced, because in the end, your opinion doesn't matter.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
how are you going to argue that a end zone view is better than a side line view when dealing with distance? do you understand the concept of angles? It was a fumble. It sucks, but it was a fumble
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I don't think anyone said it is better. That alone would be insufficient to determine the play. The announcers said he never controlled the ball with his left hand while this video clearly showed he did. That COUPLED with the sideline view give a complete story.

I've posted two videos and a screenshot to support my position that it was disputable. I would LOVE for even one person to post a screen still indisputably showing PIG did not have the ball before the tip touched the goal line, and explain why that is your conclusion. If anybody can show that I'll be happy to eat crow.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's your interpretation and an opinion. The replay officials, who are paid to do it and I would wager are far more qualified than you do to so, ruled differently.

So unless you think they are either incompetent fools who have no business being replay officials, or you buy into some conspiracy that the SEC wanted UGA to win the game, the correct call was made.

The bottom line, you don't have to be convinced, because in the end, your opinion doesn't matter.
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Dude, every opinion matters on VN. :loco:
 
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NMVol said:
So you have conceded a point is disputable, not particularly relevant to the replay standard, to argue that we should quit talking about it. You know, I am happy to agree to disagree. Truth is that it might have reasonably been called a TD.
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No one is disputing that; but the final verdict was, it wasn't a TD.
 
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PeytonBerry said:
I don't think anyone said it is better. That alone would be insufficient to determine the play. The announcers said he never controlled the ball with his left hand while this video clearly showed he did. That COUPLED with the sideline view give a complete story.

I've posted two videos and a screenshot to support my position that it was disputable. I would LOVE for even one person to post a screen still indisputably shows PIG did not have the ball before the tip touched the goal line, and explain why that is your conclusion. If anybody can show that I'll be happy to eat crow.
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This is like going around in circles.

That's not going to happen because the evidence already shown you've stated doesn't convince you he didn't have control. So it's pointless for anyone to post anything because you're just going to say "That doesn't convince me, he clearly had control".
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's your interpretation and an opinion. The replay officials, who are paid to do it and I would wager are far more qualified than you do to so, ruled differently.

So unless you think they are either incompetent fools who have no business being replay officials, or you buy into some conspiracy that the SEC wanted UGA to win the game, the correct call was made.

The bottom line, you don't have to be convinced, because in the end, your opinion doesn't matter.
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It really takes a special skill to determine if a player lost control of the ball. I would ventured to guess that my HD Screen is larger than the ones used in replay booth. Your right my opinion doesn't really mean that much and I'm sure your's does. Lol
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's your interpretation and an opinion. The replay officials, who are paid to do it and I would wager are far more qualified than you do to so, ruled differently.

So unless you think they are either incompetent fools who have no business being replay officials, or you buy into some conspiracy that the SEC wanted UGA to win the game, the correct call was made.

The bottom line, you don't have to be convinced, because in the end, your opinion doesn't matter.
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Or maybe we just think they made a bad call.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Absurdity is how far some of our fans are going to "prove" it should have been left a TD.
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That's the whole issue. The replay official should have, by rule, had to prove that he didn't score and he couldn't but he over ruled the call anyway.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
It really takes a special skill to determine if a player lost control of the ball. I would ventured to guess that my HD Screen is larger than the ones used in replay booth. Your right my opinion doesn't really mean that much and I'm sure your's is. Lol
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I'm willing to bet their equipment makes them far more capable of making a judgment than yours.
 
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MphsBlues said:
Why is this still being argued? Pig lost. the. ball. It sucks, but he DID lose it before crossing the plane.
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You say that like it is an absolute fact. I don't think that was the case, and I've backed it up. Our whole point was that it was not indisputable.

Does anyone have the exact screen shot where the tip of the ball touched the plane?
 
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I thought last night he'd lost it but I've seen it several times since and I'm not sure one way or the other. I think it should have stood because there is not indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field.
 
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PeytonBerry said:
You say that like it is an absolute fact. I don't think that was the case, and I've backed it up. Our whole point was that it was not indisputable.

Does anyone have the exact screen shot where the tip of the ball touched the plane?
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Nope. I don't have a screen shot. I say it because I saw him lose the ball before crossing the plane. I saw it and I don't see how you didn't. Threads like this make the UT fan base look ignorant.
 
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